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Polygamy [Everything you might want to possibly know about historical Mormon polygamy]
MormonThink.com ^ | 2008

Posted on 12/17/2011 12:39:41 PM PST by Colofornian


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TOPICS: History; Moral Issues; Other non-Christian; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: antichristian; inman; josephsmith; lds; mormon; polygamy
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To: restornu
I don’t send stupid fm I use to send fm as not to offend one in public on a misundrstanding but I soon learn those who’s heart is cold are unreachable.

Then I assume I have your permission to go through ALL of my old mails and publish any from you that I consider to be STUPID.

If not; PLEASE say so!

141 posted on 12/18/2011 8:05:39 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: svcw; Saundra Duffy
So if you are a mormon when are you going to post something about mormonISM?

Now let's be fair, she's part of the breakaway LDS sect, that doesn't even have the courtesy to acknowledge Joseph Smtih's translation of the bible. A very good argument could be made that she's NOT a Mormon !

142 posted on 12/18/2011 8:07:39 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: af_vet_rr; JustTheTruth
... rushed the prison where Joseph Smith was falsely imprisoned...

Uh...

He went there VOLUNTARILY!




 
"Joseph; I advise you not to go to that jail."
 
"Darn gnats!!"
 
 
"Joseph; I'm telling you to not to go to that jail."
 
"Flies are BAD today!!"
 
 
"Joseph; It ain't gonna be pretty if you ignore me and go to that jail!"
 
"Crummy mosquitos are EVERYWHERE!!!"
 
 
"Joseph!  Do NOT go to that jail!"
 
"And those bedbugs really savaged me last night, too!"
 
 
"JOSEPH!!  Wake up boy!   Do Not Go To That JAIL!!!"
 
"All right Sheriff - here I am, so give me a nice room while my Lawyer, my Advocate, my Comforter presents the LAW to the Judge and I am VINDICATED!!!"
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


143 posted on 12/18/2011 8:11:39 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: bonfire
So what do they do with the poor single old ladies that aren’t furtile anymore?

They are sent to the Borg:

You will be assimilated - resistance is furtile.

144 posted on 12/18/2011 8:14:56 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: bonfire
What does a woman DO if their spouse didn’t get their own planet?

Take in boarders?

145 posted on 12/18/2011 8:15:45 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

Joe: Hey Emma! Guess what!?

Emma: You KNOW I hate these guessing games! What is it, Dear?

Joe: I heard a voice, probably the Lord, tell me I must take other wives.

Emma: WHAT!? You ding bat! Don’t you KNOW what our precious BOOK


You probably have it right.

A woman preacher: i don,t care what the scriptures say, god told me to preach the gospel, like God speaks to her personally

Or some one saying that when the swine went into the water and drowned, pig meat was cleansed, talk about taking something out of context.

More arguments come from the writings of Paul than any where else in the Bible, that is because the gentiles knew nothing of jesus or of the history and Paul was trying to explain it to them starting from scratch so that they could start churches that would glorify god, adding to the believers.

But what it amounts to is that the Gospel of Jesus was to be preached into all of the world as a witness unto men and then the end would come.

The Gospel of Jesus being what he spoke.

He also said that he would raise up those who believed in him, and he alone will know who truly believes in him.

We can not stop people from being what they are, so much of it is nothing more than religion, trying to white wash ourselves.

In gods eyes one sin is just as bad as another, even though one may seem much bigger to us, the only sin that god can not forgive is unbelief.

The ten commandments are Gods laws, thou shall not commit adultery is no different than thou shall keep the sabbath day holy, so are those who keep the first day of the week holy instead of the seventh day as God said just as guilty as those who commit adultery? i can not see any difference.


146 posted on 12/19/2011 6:54:02 AM PST by ravenwolf (Just a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: ravenwolf
The ten commandments are Gods laws, thou shall not commit adultery is no different than thou shall keep the sabbath day holy, so are those who keep the first day of the week holy instead of the seventh day as God said just as guilty as those who commit adultery? i can not see any difference.

True, the 10 ARE GOD's law; but to WHOM were the 10 given?

That's right - His CHOSEN people.

NOT to the Gentiles.

Jerusalem can make all the traffic laws it wants; but they do not apply to those driving in Denver.


Romans 2:12
For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law.


Acts 15

The Council at Jerusalem
 1 Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. 3 The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the believers very glad. 4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.

 5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”

 6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

 12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon[a] has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:

 16 “‘After this I will return
   and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
   and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
   even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’[b]
 18 things known from long ago.[c]

 19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

The Council’s Letter to Gentile Believers
 22 Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. 23 With them they sent the following letter:

   The apostles and elders, your brothers,

   To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

   Greetings.

 24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

   Farewell.

 30 So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. 31 The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message. 32 Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the believers. 33 After spending some time there, they were sent off by the believers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them. [34] [d] 35 But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.

Disagreement Between Paul and Barnabas
 36 Some time later Paul said to Barnabas, “Let us go back and visit the believers in all the towns where we preached the word of the Lord and see how they are doing.” 37 Barnabas wanted to take John, also called Mark, with them, 38 but Paul did not think it wise to take him, because he had deserted them in Pamphylia and had not continued with them in the work. 39 They had such a sharp disagreement that they parted company. Barnabas took Mark and sailed for Cyprus, 40 but Paul chose Silas and left, commended by the believers to the grace of the Lord. 41 He went through Syria and Cilicia, strengthening the churches.


Romans 14

1Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

2For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

3Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

4Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

7For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

8For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

9For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

11For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

12So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

13Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

147 posted on 12/19/2011 8:09:01 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ravenwolf
More arguments come from the writings of Paul than any where else in the Bible, that is because the gentiles knew nothing of jesus or of the history and Paul was trying to explain it to them starting from scratch so that they could start churches that would glorify god, adding to the believers.

Hold onto this thought...


John 6:28-29 (niv)

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”


148 posted on 12/19/2011 8:10:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ravenwolf
I heard a voice, probably the Lord, tell me I must take other wives.

Ol' Joe heard a VOICE all right!!



149 posted on 12/19/2011 8:11:57 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

Hold onto this thought


That is exactly what i was talking about

Matt 19:16-26
16
And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.


All believers live under grace and it don,t matter if they were born Jew or if they are of the adoption. the purpose of the law is that if it did not say thou shall not steal, ( for instance ) how could any one repent in their heart for something they might have stolen if they did not know that it was wrong.

Since Paul was speaking the message to the gentiles it is plain that we are under Gods grace based on the same law as any other Christian and that law is the ten commandments.

We are living under Gods grace by faith in Gods son, but what more is there, what would the Churches be like if the apostles had not taught the servants in the Churches that it was wrong to steal, commit adultery, murder, and all of the other commandments, talk about some of the circuses in the Churches.

Being the adopted sons of God we have the same reward as the the others and we also have the same laws to abide by, even Paul admitted he could not keep from doing things that he should,nt do, but did he preach that it was ok to do it? no.


150 posted on 12/19/2011 10:12:27 AM PST by ravenwolf (Just a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; bonfire; restornu; svcw
LDS Apostle Erastus Snow preached the following on Sunday, Oct. 4, 1857:

" Do the women, when they pray, remember their husbands?... Do you uphold your husband before God as your lord? "What!—my husband to be my lord?" I ask, Can you get into the celestial kingdom without him? Have any of you been there? You will remember that you never got into the celestial kingdom [during the temple ceremony] without the aid of your husband. If you did, it was because your husband was away, and some one had to act proxy for him. No woman will get into the celestial kingdom, except her husband receives her, if she is worthy to have a husband; and if not, somebody will receive her as a servant.“

(Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 291)

151 posted on 12/19/2011 10:35:03 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; bonfire; restornu
Brigham Young - "Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned." Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 266 (1855)

Heber C. Kimball - ”Opponents of polygamy will be "cut off" by God.”Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 108 (1856)

”If you are someone who objects to plural marriage, then I would challenge you to search within yourselves. There is no doubt in my mind that your attitude towards plural marriage will determine your place in eternity.” President Brigham Young also warned:

"Now, where a man in this Church says, "I don't want but one wife, I will live my religion with one," he will perhaps be saved in the celestial kingdom; but when he gets there he will not find himself in possession of any wife at all. He has had a talent that he has hid up. He will come forward and say, "Here is that which thou gavest me, I have not wasted it, and here is the one talent," and he will not enjoy it, but it will be taken and given to those who have improved the talents they received, and he will find himself without any wife, and he will remain single for ever and ever. But if the woman is determined not to enter into a plural marriage, that woman when she comes forth will have the privilege of living in single blessedness through all eternity." (Journal of Discourses, Vol.16, p.166 - p.167)

Joseph F. Smith - "Plural marriage is not some sort of superfluity or non-essential to the salvation or exaltation of mankind. Marriage to only one woman is only partial compliance to the law of exaltation." Journal of Discourses, vol. 20, p. 28 (1878)

Now this one is just flat out blasphemy---

Orson Pratt - Jesus a polygamist, God the Father had a plurality of wives. "We have also proved that both God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ inherit their wives in eternity as well as in time." The Seer, p. 172 (1853)

Hmmm, I wonder what a 20th century apostle thinks of all this? Let's see.

"Plural marriage is not essential to salvation or exaltation." Bruce R. McConkie Doctrine of plural marriage

What? What did I just read? But all those other apostles and prophets have said just the opposite? You mean to tell me that it was never mormon doctrine? That it was never taught? Oh my! How does this affect all those other poor souls who followed those doctrines and revelations? Is the mormon god so feckless and incompetent that he can’t get it right the first time?

But before we dismiss the references to the JoD’s as just “opinion”, as has been claimed in the past, let’s remember the words of Brigham shall we? "The Journal of Discourses is a vehicle of doctrine, counsel, and instruction to ALL people, but especially to the Saints. It follows then, then, [sic] that each successive volume is more and more valuable as the Church increases in numbers and importance in the earth." Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p. iii (1867) " — Brigham Young

153 posted on 12/19/2011 10:50:59 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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THX 1138 the march continues


154 posted on 12/19/2011 10:54:36 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Again, there are no paid clergy in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

Then why are there so many Profits?


155 posted on 12/19/2011 11:02:59 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: SZonian; svcw
It occurred to me that Romney running twice now has brought into public view all of the heresies taught as doctrine then covered up by the leaders of the breakaway LDS sect of mormonism.

I for one was saved as a direct result, and I'm sure I'm not alone.

I imagine being an LDS missionary these days must be exceedingly difficult...Exactly as it should be.

Keep up the good work guys.

156 posted on 12/19/2011 11:06:42 AM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: Elsie
I hope you get a Temple Recommend® this year!

Or get to hang out with cool ninja Mormons speaking in Freemason.


157 posted on 12/19/2011 11:12:25 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: boatbums

I was ignorant of the Bible, it wasn’t until I after I became a mormon that I started studying the BoM against the Bible and my faith in mormonism began to come apart, ultimately leading to my rejection of same.

I believe as you, that there are way too many folks who are bought in on the scam, unfortunately as well, there are many more who are being deceived and either don’t want to believe they are or obey SLC without question.

Have to keep the money flowing. The power is another draw. It’s denied, but the higher up the ladder one climbs, the more status is afforded. GA’s are essentially revered as jr. prophets. They make a lot of money in book royalties and are on the boards of the many corporations the mormons own.

So, like so many others here have said, I’d have a real hard time voting for someone who believes in a system so fraught with error, rife with fraud and historically, so heretical that any rational person who sincerely investigates it would walk away shaking their head in amazement.

Romney is an automatic non-starter from a purely political standpoint, throw in his unwavering support of SLC and it just seals the deal.

Huntsman, well, he is a big time supporter of SLC, donates a jet to fly the prophet and GA’s around. As to his political leanings, not much in the way of meat there to chew on.


158 posted on 12/19/2011 11:13:31 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: ravenwolf
Since Paul was speaking the message to the gentiles it is plain that we are under Gods grace based on the same law as any other Christian and that law is the ten commandments.

Galatians 3

Faith or Works of the Law
1 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? 4 Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6 So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” 9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.” 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

159 posted on 12/19/2011 11:16:22 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: SZonian

Bah!

We’ll just ignore it, and it’ll go away.

—MormonDude(works for ME!)


160 posted on 12/19/2011 11:18:17 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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