Posted on 12/17/2011 12:39:41 PM PST by Colofornian
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Now, about the next piece on the FR lineup ~ NJ woman charged in penis silicone injection death ~ was this strategically placed for some reason, or is this simple luck of the draw.
This is a pack of lies; partaking of the same spirit as those men in a mob, with blackened faces to hide their identities, rushed the prison where Joseph Smith was falsely imprisoned, murdered him and his brother Hyram, and seriously wounded another.
Ping for later.
Keep up the good work of “Truth Telling”, in spite of those that coninue to defend the cult, without thinking on their own and doing the research that you provide for them to make it easier. Brainwashed comes to mind.
Do you know why J Smith was in jail?
charged with bank fraud
charged with burning down a news papers building after breaking up the presses
charged with other assorted theft
charged with adultery
He was not falsely imprisoned, he was not murdered, he was not a martyr.
He was shot while jumping threw the jail house window after the jail was stormed. He shot a number of people, possibly killing one, with guns that his rabid followers smuggled into the jail.
Yup I agree that that story about the martyrdom of Smith is a pack of lies.
Falsely imprisoned my foot. He got what was coming to him. Criminals usually do.
Joseph destroyed another man’s printing press. That is why he was in the Carthage jail.
He eluded disaster for years, his misdeeds getting more and more bold. Finally, it caught up to him.
Personally, I like my lds uncle’s explanation of the mormon practice of polygamy.
He said and firmly believes “polygamy had to be practiced because so many mormon men had been killed because of their religious beliefs that woman had no ability to marry. So the leaders declared it permissible for men to marry more than one woman, in order that the women would be taken care of”.
Really, he and my lds aunt beleive this.
When he told me I laughed, as I thought he was joking, but he was not.
You do not know your own Mormon history. Being a non-Mormon I know more about your history than you do. Joseph Smith Jr. was a crook, charlatan, polygamist, liar, thief and a fraud.
If a society is to survive, in it individuals must form families and have children at rate higher than 2 per couple.
The polygamists are not suicidal. Our culture? Suicidal so it seems. By fact, not delusional “hopes” and “ideals”. We are no longer forming families, and our “couples” aren’t bearing children.
There’s an old proverb: Put your own house in order first.
G-d judges a whole society too, and not just the individuals.
G-d does not like suicide.
Marriage is ideally one man and one woman. Children are ideally raised in the warm tender and caring embrace of a mother and father, lovingly and faithfully married under one roof.
The roof of our house is blown off, and the walls falling in, and we are outside yelling at the neighbors about what is, in context, trivial.
I bet that Beach Boys song, “Surf City” that has the phrase, “two girls for every boy” was popular with the Mormons back in the 1960s!
In light of your post, your screen name is not apropos.
Might try researching the fact that JS actually denied a man his Constitutional rights, then convened a puppet “court” to pass judgement with no due process involved. Then proceeded to destroy private property while acting in the capacity of “mayor” (actually, it was more like; supreme ruler, tyrant and dictator).
Why? Because the man with the printing press was about to expose JS’s polygamy, his adultery, his lying, his sending men off on “missions” so he could seduce their wives and daughters, etc. ad naseaum.
JS should have been tried, convicted then hung like the criminal he was. I regret every time this topic is brought up that the mormons were permitted the opportunity to paint him as a martyr when he was nothing of the sort, let alone a “prophet”.
And posted in the DesNews.
"Justthetruth" on that scenario would be to tell the actual truth that Smith had two loaded weapons smuggled into him...Smith seriously wounded and killed others in that shoot-out in the jail!
Tell me, something: If you heard about a prisoner going down in a shoot-out, would you deem him an automatic "martyr?"
That was indeed the party line talking point when I was a mish in 60-63. And not just to take care of them but to "Multiply and Replenish the Earth".
More anti Mormon gossip. Nothing new here. Blah blah blah. Pharisee major alert!
Polygamy has not been practiced by the LDS Church for well over 100 years. By bringing it up time and time again the anti Mormons are trying to plant ideas in the minds of ignorant and gullible useful idiots.
Anti Mormonism is big business. This is a fact and not hard to prove. Do you want me to provide you with a list of anti Mormon books, DVD’s, pamphlets, documentaries, workshops, seminars, tapes, CD’s. You could fill a stadium with anti Mormon literature. If that’s not big business, then I don’t know what is. What’s funny is most of the anti Mormon literature uses the other anti Mormon literature as references. It’s a self perpetuating big business and it stinks to High Heaven.
Again, there are no paid clergy in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
I suspect that the anti Mormons who consistently post on this site are benefiting financially from it.
Merry Christmas!
“Being a non-Mormon I know more about your history than you do.”
I used to get upset when this kind of nonsense was posted on FR. Now I just laugh. Your references are all repeated references from anti Mormon literature and raving and rantings.
www.lds.org
www.mormon.org
Good luck with your hatred of all things LDS. Meanwhile, Jesus Christ is my Savior and my Advocate with the Father and the Holy Ghost is my Best Friend.
If it is not hard to prove - prove it.
Mathematics isn't your strong suit, is it?
Let's first review some living examples...and then we'll cite one study on the child-producing effects (or lack thereof) that 19th century polygamy had in the U.S.
Brigham Young had 55 wives & 57 children...figure the averages...
Just over 1 child per mom. (Quite a bit less than your "higher than 2 per couple")
How about Joseph Smith, Jr.? He had children in single-figures...27 wives...although reports are that a "Dr. Bennett" aborted many of Smith's pre-borns in Nauvoo.
Now, leaving out the evolutionary crap that a university like Indiana University injected (see link below), the stats bore all this out...that...contrary to common myth, 19th and early 20th century Mormon polygamy actually resulted in less children per mom, not more!
Simply put, the more sister-wives a Mormon woman had, the fewer children she was likely to produce. "Although it's great in terms of number of children for successful males to have harems, the data show that for every new woman added to a male's household, the number each wife produced goes DOWN BY ONE CHILD OR SO," said IU Bloomington evolutionary biologist Michael Wade......Wade says, polygamy is a bad thing for most males of a species. "When the ratio of sexes is about equal, for every male that has three mates, there must be two males that have none," Wade said. "If a male has even more mates, then the disparity among male 'reproductive' haves and have-nots can become quite great."
Source: Polygamy hurt 19th century Mormon wives' evolutionary fitness
Sorry. Mormon polygamy was indeed "sexual suicide" (to use a George Gilder term)
The women had one less child less than had she married in a one-man, one-woman relationship. And the men? If a man had three wives, he robbed two men of having a single wife! Zero children then among a great number of men in Mormon culture! Mormon male leaders snuffed out the family lines of many men! [Tell us, BVW, how many "kids" and "generations" are produced when you have Heber C. Kimball take 45 wives; Brigham take 55 wives; Smith take anywhere from 27 to 33 to 40 wives...all leaving over 125 men to have NONE????]
All you have to do in reviewing polygamy is to study sex-selection abortion/infanticide in China and India to realize the tremendous parallel negative effects this has had in those cultures!
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