Posted on 12/09/2011 3:18:38 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
The anti-Catholic site justforcatholics.org quotes the non-infallible Nostra Aetate of Vatican II and the non-infallible 1994 Catechism of the Catholic Church (derived from Vatican II) to falsely assert that the Catholic Church officially teaches that Catholics and Muslims worship the same god.
Catholicism and Islam are monotheistic religions, that is, both believe that there is but one God. However, that does not necessarily imply that they worship the same God. Two men may be married to one woman, but that does not mean that they are married to the same woman. So, the question is whether Catholics and Muslims worship the same one God.
The modern Catholic Church has defined her relations to non-Christian religions in a document entitled Nostra Aetate. The section on Islam begins thus:
The Church regards with esteem also the Muslims. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men.
While it does not state explicitly that 'the one God' adored by the Muslims is the true and living God, this seems to be the natural implication. For why would Rome commend Muslims for this belief if their God was considered a false deity? Indeed, unlike their ancestors, many modern Catholics are convinced that they and Muslims worship the same God. [...]
Pro-Catholic Gloria.TV corrects this falsehood:
Gloria.TV News Briefs 09/12/2011 04:34:13:
Attendance at Islamic and Non-Catholic Worship
The abomination, which the Church has had from the very beginning for association of Catholics in the worship of Non Catholics [31], is evident from the words of St. John "If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into the house, or say to him Welcome" - II John 1:10
Suarez (one of the greatest amongst the Jesuits theologians) affirms that the reason the Apostle gives for this prohibition is verified in religious communication especially, because he, who unites himself with those outside the Church in religious worship, communicates in their wicked works. [32]
A Catholic who communicates formally in the worship of Non Catholics sins grievously against the virtue of Religion, as a false exercise of it. [33] For this reason "One is never allowed to cooperate formally in something which is intrinsically wrong objectively." [34]
St. Augustine, the great Champion of Catholic orthodoxy, reproves both actual and simulated communication in non-Catholic worship. In a letter to St. Jerome he states that one who observes the rites of Jews, or Gentiles, not only truly, but even fictitiously, has fallen into the abyss of the devil. [35]
The mind of the Church on this point was enshrined in old Code of Canon Law (1917), which stated that: " It is not permitted at all for the faithful to assist in any active manner at or to have any part in the worship of non-Catholics." [36]
All subsequent moral theology works have simply reiterated the same point. [37]
Pius XI in dealing with this issue that was so vehement in his own day had only the following to say "Certainly such movements as these cannot gain the approval of Catholics. They are founded upon the false opinions of those who say that, since all religions equally unfold and signify- though not in the same way - the native, inborn feeling in us all through which we are borne toward God and humbly recognize His rule, therefore, all religions are more or less good and praiseworthy. The followers of this theory are not only deceived and mistaken, but since they repudiate the true religion by attacking it in its very essence, they move step by step toward naturalism and atheism. Hence it clearly follows that anyone who gives assent to such theories and undertakings utterly abandons divinely revealed religion. " [38]
The Church can never lawfully grant to Catholics permission to participate formally in non-Catholic worship. In dealing those who claim they have been given ecclesiastical permission to participate in the ceremonial rites of non Catholics Fr. Michael Muller in his well known work, "God the Teacher of Man Kind" aptly answers the question by stating "Neither any priest nor bishop, nay, not even the Pope, can give you permission to violate any of the commandments." [39]
It has been rashly stated the Mohammedans and other infidels adore the same God "together with us" [40] yet not only is this undoubtibly offensive to Catholic doctrine (as we have shown above) but it shows forth an ignorance of Islamic notion of God and their absurd doctrines. Mohammedans don't pray to their god, together with us, they pray to their false god against us! The Quran is explicit on this point as it openly states: "The Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before, may Allah destroy them, how they have turned away." [41]
Ultimately we can do no better than assume to ourselves the advice of the Apostle of the Gentiles (St. Paul) himself "Bear not the yoke with unbelievers. For what participation hath justice with injustice? Or what fellowship hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? Or what part hath the faithful with the unbeliever? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?" - II Cor. 6: 14-18.
Islam is the most successful heresy in history.
Muslims worship Satan. There can never be reconciliation between Christianity and Islam, so ecumenism in this situation is dangerous and a fraud.
The answer is an obvious NO. I hate it when libs try to claim otherwise. Idiots.
Islam is a sex based religion. They can have 5 wives, and drop as any as they like to get fresh ones. Do you really think they’ll change? Paradise gets you 71-72 Virgins and all the milk and honey you can drink to keep you going with the 72 virgins. What guy in his right mind that believes that, would accept any other God? No wonder there are over a billion Muslims, I’m surprised there aren’t 5 billion. Then again, they probably reach that figure by the next century with all the kids they are having.
George W. Bush and Karl Rove - Islam is a Religion of Peace.... Feel good nonsense from 2 lightweight thinkers. How damaging those kind of statements are...
# 841 The Churchs relationship with the Muslims. The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankinds judge on the last day.[330] { http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm#841 }
Vatican 2 teaches that Catholics and Muslims worship the same God.
Therefore, Vatican 2 is WRONG!!!!!!!!!!
ML/NJ
Islam’s “Allah: is a pagan moon god worshipped by the bedouins. Mohammed came along and declared that this god was the only one.
Christians worship a triune God who is one God and three persons. Muslims worship a God that is one God one person. They are not the same. Not even close.
Would the Father of Jesus command Islam to kill those who accept His son as their savior? Totally illogical and contradictory.
Catholics already had centuries of evidence against Muslims in 1965, but since then Catholics have seen plenty of new evidence about Modernist infiltration of Church offices. Consider this evidence of Modernist heresy:
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330I hasten to add for any non-Catholic readers that the latest Catechism (CCC) is definitely non-infallible since it is derived from the non-infallible Vatican II council.http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p3.htm#841
Islam is a war plan from the father of lies.
Logically, if there is just one woman, it does.
Do Catholics and Muslims worship the same God? I do not worry myself with such questions because only God knows.
Correct...Islam does not believe in the trinity; they also do not believe that Jesus is son of God, they believe he was a prophet.
Then do you have a problem with Modernists deceptively reversing Church teaching to say Catholics must believe they worship the same God as Muslims?
Nope. Roman Catholics are Trinitarian. Mohammedans are not. And I say this as a Protestant.
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