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Vatican Cardinal Burke: ‘We’re well on the way’ to Christian persecution in the U.S.
Life Site News ^ | 11-28-11 | John-Henry Westen

Posted on 11/28/2011 8:49:17 PM PST by ReformationFan

VATICAN, November 28, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) – One of the highest ranking cardinals in the Vatican has said that the United States is “well on the way” to the persecution of Christians. Cardinal Raymond Burke

Cardinal Raymond Burke, former Archbishop of St. Louis and now the head of the Vatican’s highest court, told Catholic News Agency that he could envision a time when the Catholic Church in the U.S., “even by announcing her own teaching,” is accused of “engaging in illegal activity, for instance, in its teaching on human sexuality.”

Asked if the cardinal could even see American Catholics being arrested for their faith he replied, “I can see it happening, yes.”

In his remarks to several U.S. Bishops meeting with him Saturday, Pope Benedict XVI made similarly emphatic warnings about the U.S. The pope told the bishops that “the seriousness of the challenges which the Church in America, under your leadership, is called to confront in the near future cannot be underestimated.”

He added: “The obstacles to Christian faith and practice raised by a secularized culture also affect the lives of believers.”

In the interview published today, Cardinal Burke declared that “it is a war” and “critical at this time that Christians stand up for the natural moral law.” Should they not, he warned, “secularization will in fact predominate and it will destroy us.”

Pope Benedict too urged the bishops of the United States to speak out in defense of morality. “The present moment can thus be seen, in positive terms, as a summons to exercise the prophetic dimension of your episcopal ministry by speaking out, humbly yet insistently, in defense of moral truth, and offering a word of hope, capable of opening hearts and minds to the truth that sets us free,” he said.

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To: Cvengr

From what I have heard, John Paul II would kiss even a music cd by a Irish rock band as well.


41 posted on 11/29/2011 3:23:46 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: ReformationFan

I second it also, but there will be a angry blow-back or fighting back.


42 posted on 11/29/2011 3:26:05 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: RBIEL2
Blaming a political party for the failure of religious leaders and laypersons to stand up for their own rights in this republic is misplaced blame.

Our constitution has been overrun because of generations of lazy complacent parents who let decades of children be indoctrinated in atheistic socialism by our atheistic socialist public school system. A system which was deliberately created not for education, but for indoctrination into atheistic socialism which. The effects of which are evident in every aspect of American life now.

There is no easy way out and we have good reason to question whether it is altogether too late to effectively change course before we are past the point of no return.

44 posted on 11/29/2011 4:57:32 AM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: jacknhoo
Your statement can not be posted often enough. Yet....Even some Freepers defend their child's socialist and godless school. “My child's ( socialist and godless) school is different”, they say. ( eye roll). In the meantime, our leading conservative talk show yappers will make an occasional jab at our nation's socialist and godless schools but very few will clearly state the danger they pose to our freedom.

So here are your words again:

Our constitution has been overrun because of generations of lazy complacent parents who let decades of children be indoctrinated in atheistic socialism by our atheistic socialist public school system.

Our constitution has been overrun because of generations of lazy complacent parents who let decades of children be indoctrinated in atheistic socialism by our atheistic socialist public school system.

Our constitution has been overrun because of generations of lazy complacent parents who let decades of children be indoctrinated in atheistic socialism by our atheistic socialist public school system.

Our constitution has been overrun because of generations of lazy complacent parents who let decades of children be indoctrinated in atheistic socialism by our atheistic socialist public school system.

Our constitution has been overrun because of generations of lazy complacent parents who let decades of children be indoctrinated in atheistic socialism by our atheistic socialist public school system.

45 posted on 11/29/2011 5:20:22 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: jacknhoo
There is no easy way out and we have good reason to question whether it is altogether too late to effectively change course before we are past the point of no return.
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Yes, there is good reason to doubt if the Constitution will prevail. Even conservatives fail fail fail fail to address the problem of socialist and godless schooling. It is urgent. We must permanently shut down the godless socialist-funded schools. Conservatives must work to see that every child in this nation has access to a private educational setting that supports the Judeo Christian culture of Western Civilization and our nation's founding principles.

Your words can not be posted often enough. WHEN WILL CONSERVATIVES WAKE UP???????????!!!!! ( Yes, I am shouting, jumping up and down, and having a fit!)

You words AGAIN:
Our constitution has been overrun because of generations of lazy complacent parents who let decades of children be indoctrinated in atheistic socialism by our atheistic socialist public school system. A system which was deliberately created not for education, but for indoctrination into atheistic socialism which. The effects of which are evident in every aspect of American life now.

Our constitution has been overrun because of generations of lazy complacent parents who let decades of children be indoctrinated in atheistic socialism by our atheistic socialist public school system. A system which was deliberately created not for education, but for indoctrination into atheistic socialism which. The effects of which are evident in every aspect of American life now.

Our constitution has been overrun because of generations of lazy complacent parents who let decades of children be indoctrinated in atheistic socialism by our atheistic socialist public school system. A system which was deliberately created not for education, but for indoctrination into atheistic socialism which. The effects of which are evident in every aspect of American life now.

Our constitution has been overrun because of generations of lazy complacent parents who let decades of children be indoctrinated in atheistic socialism by our atheistic socialist public school system. A system which was deliberately created not for education, but for indoctrination into atheistic socialism which. The effects of which are evident in every aspect of American life now.

Our constitution has been overrun because of generations of lazy complacent parents who let decades of children be indoctrinated in atheistic socialism by our atheistic socialist public school system. A system which was deliberately created not for education, but for indoctrination into atheistic socialism which. The effects of which are evident in every aspect of American life now.

Our constitution has been overrun because of generations of lazy complacent parents who let decades of children be indoctrinated in atheistic socialism by our atheistic socialist public school system. A system which was deliberately created not for education, but for indoctrination into atheistic socialism which. The effects of which are evident in every aspect of American life now.

Our constitution has been overrun because of generations of lazy complacent parents who let decades of children be indoctrinated in atheistic socialism by our atheistic socialist public school system. A system which was deliberately created not for education, but for indoctrination into atheistic socialism which. The effects of which are evident in every aspect of American life now.

46 posted on 11/29/2011 5:29:24 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: ReformationFan
In the interview published today, Cardinal Burke declared that “it is a war” and “critical at this time that Christians stand up for the natural moral law.”
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My daughter taught in a Texas Catholic K-8 school. All of the teachers and the principal voted for Obama. Her class was the **only** class whose children did **not** watch the inauguration of Obama. ( She did not renew her contract.)

I wonder if the teachers in this “Catholic” school attended our nation's system of socialist and godless schools and then went on to earn teaching degrees from Marxist infested socialist-funded and godless colleges and universities.

By the way....I read that there is a movement among believing and faithful Catholic families to start their own independent schools. Families get together and hire a teacher. Seems like a good idea to me.

47 posted on 11/29/2011 5:38:48 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: Salvation

Today’s daily mass gospel reading.


48 posted on 11/29/2011 5:39:10 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Rashputin

Thankfully, we are starting to see the begining of the needed corrections with the new 3rd Edition Roman Missal in English this past weekend. They may be what are called “baby steps”, but first steps neverless.


49 posted on 11/29/2011 5:42:06 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Rashputin

“Try sharing that with those with eyes that dont see, and ears that dont hear! “
If the State starts by outlawing the Catholic Church and imprisoning Bishops and Priests about a quarter of the non-Catholic Christians in this country won’t be in any hurry to see the situation turned around.

JMHO”

Would it suprise you that when the “attacks” start to go to other churches, than it becomes a whole different ball game. Than Christians in the USA WILL HAVE NO CHOICE but to stand in union with each other.

JMHO as well.


50 posted on 11/29/2011 5:46:43 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: wintertime

Diocesan and Jesuit schools are even more dangerous than public schools for Catholic students. While both venues are anti-Christian, the modernist “Catholic” schools specialize in specifically targeting the Catholic faith for destruction.


51 posted on 11/29/2011 6:30:36 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor

I remember a few years ago there has been an effort by the Vatican to reing-in the Jesuits BIGTIME.

Look for more efforts to have that extend down the road to Catholic centers of learning if it is not being done now.


52 posted on 11/29/2011 6:36:33 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: mas cerveza por favor
My Augustinian college ( Villanova University) was already very much into the worship and adoration of Marxist Liberation Theology, and that was in the early 1970s. I get their alumni publication. It has only gotten worse.
53 posted on 11/29/2011 6:44:32 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: Biggirl

Catholic schools will be cleaned up, but not until the spirit of Vatican II is first exorcised from the Rome itself.


54 posted on 11/29/2011 7:17:42 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor

Thankfully, I sense we are in the process of the Vatican reining in the schools as well. Did not Pope Benedict when he was here in the USA for a short time a few years back touch upon that?

Also, with the changeover for the English-speaking Catholics to the new Roman Missal, which IMHO was even a BIGGER changeover than for the other languages, that is truly telling of things to come.

Remember that English is a major, major international language. So this is for all purposes, major changes.


55 posted on 11/29/2011 7:41:25 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: mas cerveza por favor

Take confort, the VCII crowd is now “retiring” into history.


56 posted on 11/29/2011 7:44:49 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: jacknhoo
Blaming a political party for the failure of religious leaders and laypersons to stand up for their own rights in this republic is misplaced blame. Before you presume to lecture others you might do well to read 'The Naked Public Square' by Richard John Neuhaus a book written in the 80's, more or less the first or best on the subject. Usually when I have something to say I address it to none; I'm wondering why you are convinced that I need this lecture. Maybe its because you have a habit of considering others as less knowledgeable as you?... because they dont' write in paragraghs and pages? On the other hand, many would consider my one sentence on the Republican party to be well constructed and insightful that behind the wording was possibly an intelligent person. Obviously your need to express yourself and be heard outweighs any serious consideration as to audience.
57 posted on 11/29/2011 7:55:05 AM PST by RBIEL2
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To: RBIEL2
“Blaming a political party for the failure of religious leaders and laypersons to stand up for their own rights in this republic is misplaced blame.” ( jacknhoo)

“Before you presume to lecture others you might do well to read “ ( RBIEL2)
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Both of you are correct, RBIEL2 and jacknhoo.

RBIEL2 you are completely correct in you analysis of the tactics used by the liberal/ Marxists. They are like wolves in that they circle about the weakest and then harass and harry until they can go for the hamstrings to bring the victim down.

jacknhoo....You are correct that our population is in a weakened state because generations have attended socialist and godlessly secular government schooling. The children who attended socialist K-12 school from the mid-1800s to early 1900s are the adult voters who thought that the socialist Franklin D. Roosevelt walked on water. And....Our nation's socialist schools have been godlessly secular since my grandmother's day ( born 1894). That puny little nod to God in her morning classes was insulting. What does Christ do with the lukewarm? He spits them out of His mouth!

If our nation's citizens had been raised to fear God and if their educations had fully supported the specific Judeo Christian beliefs of their families the tactic outlined by RBIEL2 would have been completely ineffective.

58 posted on 11/29/2011 8:20:34 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: All

Look for angry blowback.


59 posted on 11/29/2011 9:05:20 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: All

Remember that when one is 20, if you are not a liberal, than you have no heart, but if by 40 you are not a conservative, you have NO BRIAN.


60 posted on 11/29/2011 9:54:19 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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