[steve8714]

The new Mass finds it impossible to say in one word what it can in three, and uses the vernacular, only that of the theologian. I doubt I ever have used the word “consubstantial” in conversation polite or otherwise, nor in Brother Noonan’s religion class.
I see this as more make-work for liturgists. Here’s a thought; let’s go back to the pre-Vatican II liturgy to restore some actual joy and power to the Mass.

[SumProVita]

The power is always there. It is given as a great gift of our God.

Joy emanates from our response to that power of God.

[oh8eleven]

Here’s a thought; let’s go back to the pre-Vatican II liturgy to restore some actual joy and power to the Mass.
What and miss out on ...

"Changes for the laity include the reply “and with your spirit” spoken to the priest,
rather than the response “and also with you.”

Meanwhile ..."leading members of the hierarchy are predicting great gains for the Church."
Can someone explain what "gains" are expected? Anyone? Bueller?

[netmilsmom]

>>Here’s a thought; let’s go back to the pre-Vatican II liturgy to restore some actual joy and power to the Mass.<<

All in time, my FRiend

[livius]

Actually, the pre-Vatican II liturgy did use the word consubstantial, and also literally repeated certain words and phrases three times. You would have known this even in Latin, although sometimes low masses were inaudible and the people did not make any responses. Also, the old low masses were very fast because a lot of priests had developed a sort of speed-reading technique, just doing a fast mumble, since the people couldn’t hear most of it anyway.

There was a brief interim mass between the end of Vatican II and the promulgation of the Novus Ordo where the pre-Vatican II low mass with a few minor changes was said in a vernacular translation. I actually remember some of these responses from that time. I wish they had kept that mass and not gone to the Novus Ordo. We would have had none of the problems that we have had for the last 40 years.

As a translation of the Novus Ordo, the new one is much more accurate and if you examine it, you can actually see some of the “bones” of the old rite under it. Personally, I think it is the Pope’s plan to reintroduce a revived Old Rite mass, probably but not always in the vernacular or in a mix of Latin and vernacular, that would essentially be like the “interim mass” I mentioned but include the new Calendar of the Saints (since there are many new saints) although possibly bring back some of the old calendar, such as Rogation Days.

However, this is a massive undertaking and he may not be able to complete it. But I think this new translation is actually a start in that direction.

[narses]

Here’s a thought; let’s go back to the pre-Vatican II liturgy to restore some actual joy and power to the Mass.

I did, I did! :) +