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Russians Flock to See Virgin Mary Relic
MSNBC ^ | 11/23/11 | Mansur Mirovalev

Posted on 11/25/2011 6:55:10 AM PST by marshmallow

Tens of thousands wait for hours in freezing temperatures to kiss belt that Christians believe was worn by Jesus' mother

MOSCOW — Braving freezing cold temperatures and ice-covered sidewalks, tens of thousands of Russians stood in line Wednesday to see and kiss a newly arrived relic of the Virgin Mary in Russia's largest Orthodox cathedral.

The Virgin Mary's Cincture, a belt that Christians believe was worn by Jesus' mother, was brought to Russia last month from Mount Athos, a monastic community in Greece.

Kissing the relic, which is encased in an ornamental box, is believed to help barren women conceive and heal other ailments.

The line of people, mostly women, waiting to enter the golden-domed Christ the Savior Cathedral stretched for 2.5 miles (4 kilometers) along the Moscow River despite temperatures that dropped to below minus 5 Celsius (23 Fahrenheit).

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TOPICS: Current Events; History; Orthodox Christian
KEYWORDS: christianity; moscow; religion; russia
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To: smvoice; narses; metmom; boatbums
I guess we should not be surprised.

1 Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

41 posted on 11/25/2011 3:20:08 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

But the Lord entered history, and so we know about an Alpha and an Omega—and time in between. Why do the performers come on the stage if the play is already over, and Hamlet is dead before he speaks his first line?


42 posted on 11/25/2011 3:32:33 PM PST by RobbyS (Viva Christus Rex.)
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To: smvoice

Odd that it teaches a doctrine about Scripture which is found nowhere in Scripture.


43 posted on 11/25/2011 3:34:42 PM PST by RobbyS (Viva Christus Rex.)
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To: CynicalBear

Aha, then you have a private revelation to which we are not privy.


44 posted on 11/25/2011 3:36:05 PM PST by RobbyS (Viva Christus Rex.)
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To: RobbyS

..and to which doctrine might you be referring?


45 posted on 11/25/2011 3:37:31 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: CynicalBear
Not a word of Scripture in post 22. What odd denomination do you take your teachings from? Or is it:


46 posted on 11/25/2011 3:38:56 PM PST by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: RobbyS

You will have to figure that one out from scripture.


47 posted on 11/25/2011 3:55:29 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

And? . . .

This has to do with my posting how?


48 posted on 11/25/2011 3:56:45 PM PST by Not gonna take it anymore (Member of the First Church of Christ, I am Catholic)
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To: CynicalBear

Why should I have to figure that out if someone one else has? People don’t approach Scripture with the mind as a blank slate. Everyone has the capacity to learn a language, but the language he does learn depends on his teachers.


49 posted on 11/25/2011 3:59:18 PM PST by RobbyS (Viva Christus Rex.)
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To: narses

Your were responding to post 34 not post 22.


50 posted on 11/25/2011 3:59:36 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

I was reposing my response to 22. Any answer? Is it JW? Or maybe SDA?


51 posted on 11/25/2011 4:00:28 PM PST by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: RobbyS
>> Everyone has the capacity to learn a language, but the language he does learn depends on his teachers.<<

Maybe you have the wrong teacher?

I Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

52 posted on 11/25/2011 4:06:04 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: narses

If we are cleansed by the blood of Christ and we appear before the throne of God as pure what will we be judged for?


53 posted on 11/25/2011 4:12:43 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

Cat got your tongue? Are you unwilling to disclose what odd cult teaches the things you post?


54 posted on 11/25/2011 4:22:09 PM PST by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: marshmallow
I read the whole thread. I see the quick hijack as usual. I detect more than a whiff of envy. These sola religions have no coherence. They have no historic authenticity. They rail against "man made traditions and institution". But all thy bring is their own opinions or the opinion of whatever teacher / man has captured their loyalty. Or they have the Holy Spirit giving the assurance for whatever they decide to believe in.

About the latter, I have asked before, but never received anything close to an answer :

How can it be that the Holy Spirit directs two believers to mutually exclusive conclusions on what Scripture means? One example, among many - can a "born again" believer fall away and lose his salvation? Some sola religions say yes; some say no.

That is confusion, of which God is not the Author.

55 posted on 11/25/2011 4:31:51 PM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: narses

Ok, but only if you don’t tell anyone. K? It’s all from scripture. You know, those 66 books we call the Bible.


56 posted on 11/25/2011 4:35:33 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
Really? And yet you posit some very odd beliefs that seem to twist scripture into pretzels. That is the danger in:


57 posted on 11/25/2011 4:36:50 PM PST by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: narses

Catholics like those third grade picture books don’t they?


58 posted on 11/25/2011 4:41:30 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: don-o; CynicalBear
don-o asks:
How can it be that the Holy Spirit directs two believers to mutually exclusive conclusions on what Scripture means? One example, among many - can a "born again" believer fall away and lose his salvation? Some sola religions say yes; some say no.
Maybe, just maybe, CynicalBear in his careful and alone, solo study of whatever odd translation of Holy Writ he believes to be the one and only, TRUE version of tthe Word of God can answer that time tested question. Maybe.
59 posted on 11/25/2011 4:44:45 PM PST by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: narses; don-o

That’s not difficult to answer at all. One of them isn’t listening. Just like the Catholics don’t listen.


60 posted on 11/25/2011 4:51:01 PM PST by CynicalBear
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