It actually doesn’t matter. Error is error. Even if one could follow written documentation from one generation to another of church leadership the errors that have been creeping in since roughly 200AD are contrary to scripture. You can scream from the housetops professing succession but it wouldn’t matter. When men go astray from original scripture it becomes an abomination to God. Israel has a longer continuing succession of genealogy then the RCC will ever hope to have and there was still a falling away and we now see them being forsaken by God until the “time of the Gentiles” ends. The Israelites began pagan practices many different times and were punished by God. Longevity and succession does not make the RCC right.
****When men go astray from original scripture it becomes an abomination to God. ****
Where does the Bible say that? Not where does God say to obey His word, but where exactly in those words does God say that “when men go astray from original scripture it is an abomination.”
Why do I say, “in those exact words”?
Because when you give your interpretation of a verse or verses, it is just that, “your interpretation”, your opinion of that verse. If there is a particular scripture that says that, post it, otherwise all you have is your own commentary on what you think certain passages mean.
There is either an authority or there isn’t and one cannot claim for oneself authority that is not given in Scripture.
And, Scripture no where gives authority to anyone other than Peter.
*****Israel has a longer continuing succession of genealogy then the RCC will ever hope to have and there was still a falling away and we now see them being forsaken by God until the “time of the Gentiles” ends.*****
The Israel of the OT had only the promise of the fulfillment of the prophecy of the Messiah. We, however, have the promises of the Messiah Himself. The promise that He would be with us always and send the Holy Spirit as guide to all truth which the gates of Hell will overcome.
Catholics do believe however that individuals can fall away. God is faithful to His promise that those who believe and obey will be saved, but men are unfaithful and can easily fall or be led astray. That is why we have the Church and the Sacraments so that we may always abide in Him.
*****The Israelites began pagan practices many different times and were punished by God.*****
Saying that Catholics practice paganism does not make it so, but I suppose like the liberals who say this country is not founded on Christianity, if the untruth is repeated often enough some fools will actually believe it.
Longevity and succession does not make the RCC right.
Well, you are half right. All the heresies seen on this forum have been around since the very beginning.
To admit the antiquity of the Church and the verifiable succession of her clergy all the way to the first Christian community and yet deny that Christ is her founder is delusional.
But, again, you are half right. These two things are merely proof of Christ’s fidelity to His promise and His Church.
*****It actually doesn’t matter. Error is error.*****
There is no error in the doctrines of the Church. That is the opinion of an admittedly fallible person with no more authority to declare what isn’t truth than to declare what is.
****When men go astray from original scripture it becomes an abomination to God. ****
Where does the Bible say that? Not where does God say to obey His word, but where exactly in those words does God say that “when men go astray from original scripture it is an abomination.”
Why do I say, “in those exact words”?
Because when you give your interpretation of a verse or verses, it is just that, “your interpretation”, your opinion of that verse. If there is a particular scripture that says that, post it, otherwise all you have is your own commentary on what you think certain passages mean.
There is either an authority or there isn’t and one cannot claim for oneself authority that is not given in Scripture.
And, Scripture no where gives authority to anyone other than Peter.
*****Israel has a longer continuing succession of genealogy then the RCC will ever hope to have and there was still a falling away and we now see them being forsaken by God until the “time of the Gentiles” ends.*****
The Israel of the OT had only the promise of the fulfillment of the prophecy of the Messiah. We, however, have the promises of the Messiah Himself. The promise that He would be with us always and send the Holy Spirit as guide to all truth which the gates of Hell will overcome.
Catholics do believe however that individuals can fall away. God is faithful to His promise that those who believe and obey will be saved, but men are unfaithful and can easily fall or be led astray. That is why we have the Church and the Sacraments so that we may always abide in Him.
*****The Israelites began pagan practices many different times and were punished by God.*****
Saying that Catholics practice paganism does not make it so, but I suppose like the liberals who say this country is not founded on Christianity, if the untruth is repeated often enough some fools will actually believe it.
Longevity and succession does not make the RCC right.
Well, you are half right. All the heresies seen on this forum have been around since the very beginning.
To admit the antiquity of the Church and the verifiable succession of her clergy all the way to the first Christian community and yet deny that Christ is her founder is delusional.
But, again, you are half right. These two things are merely proof of Christ’s fidelity to His promise and His Church.
*****It actually doesn’t matter. Error is error.*****
There is no error in the doctrines of the Church. That is the opinion of an admittedly fallible person with no more authority to declare what isn’t truth than to declare what is.
So you are sounding like a bit of a Mormon claiming that some Great Apostasy took place around 200 A.D.
So you are saying that Jesus was a liar and that the gates of hell prevailed against the Church.
Original scripture? Maybe you should think about restoring the First Epistle of St. Clement and the Didache to your canon considering they were regarded as scripture by many Christians at that point in time.
Face it, Evangelicalism didn’t even exist in the 1st century. We call First Century Evangelicals Gnostics.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/thomas.htm