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To: CynicalBear

****When men go astray from original scripture it becomes an abomination to God. ****

Where does the Bible say that? Not where does God say to obey His word, but where exactly in those words does God say that “when men go astray from original scripture it is an abomination.”

Why do I say, “in those exact words”?

Because when you give your interpretation of a verse or verses, it is just that, “your interpretation”, your opinion of that verse. If there is a particular scripture that says that, post it, otherwise all you have is your own commentary on what you think certain passages mean.

There is either an authority or there isn’t and one cannot claim for oneself authority that is not given in Scripture.
And, Scripture no where gives authority to anyone other than Peter.

*****Israel has a longer continuing succession of genealogy then the RCC will ever hope to have and there was still a falling away and we now see them being forsaken by God until the “time of the Gentiles” ends.*****

The Israel of the OT had only the promise of the fulfillment of the prophecy of the Messiah. We, however, have the promises of the Messiah Himself. The promise that He would be with us always and send the Holy Spirit as guide to all truth which the gates of Hell will overcome.

Catholics do believe however that individuals can fall away. God is faithful to His promise that those who believe and obey will be saved, but men are unfaithful and can easily fall or be led astray. That is why we have the Church and the Sacraments so that we may always abide in Him.

*****The Israelites began pagan practices many different times and were punished by God.*****

Saying that Catholics practice paganism does not make it so, but I suppose like the liberals who say this country is not founded on Christianity, if the untruth is repeated often enough some fools will actually believe it.

Longevity and succession does not make the RCC right.

Well, you are half right. All the heresies seen on this forum have been around since the very beginning.

To admit the antiquity of the Church and the verifiable succession of her clergy all the way to the first Christian community and yet deny that Christ is her founder is delusional.

But, again, you are half right. These two things are merely proof of Christ’s fidelity to His promise and His Church.

*****It actually doesn’t matter. Error is error.*****

There is no error in the doctrines of the Church. That is the opinion of an admittedly fallible person with no more authority to declare what isn’t truth than to declare what is.


2,608 posted on 12/04/2011 4:33:17 PM PST by Jvette
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To: Jvette
I doubt that you would ever study how the Israelites had strayed from serving God in the way God commanded. It did however begin with Semeramis and her son Tamuz who were the first “mother and child” to be revered the results of which led to God’s condemnation in Ezekiel.

Ezekiel 8:6 He said furthermore unto me, Son of man, seest thou what they do? even the great abominations that the house of Israel committeth here, that I should go far off from my sanctuary? but turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations. 7 And he brought me to the door of the court; and when I looked, behold a hole in the wall. 8 Then said he unto me, Son of man, dig now in the wall: and when I had digged in the wall, behold a door. 9 And he said unto me, Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here. 10 So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about. 11 And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up. 12 Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, the LORD seeth us not; the LORD hath forsaken the earth. 13 He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do.

>>That is the opinion of an admittedly fallible person with no more authority to declare what isn’t truth than to declare what is.<<

There is only one infallible God and the magesterium of the RCC is not it.

2,632 posted on 12/04/2011 5:32:32 PM PST by CynicalBear
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