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Gay Episcopal Bishop to Preach at San Francisco Catholic Parish
Catholic Culture ^ | 11/22/11

Posted on 11/23/2011 11:11:08 AM PST by marshmallow

A notoriously 'gay-friendly' parish in San Francisco has invited an openly homosexual Episcopalian cleric to lead an Advent Vespers service.

Most Holy Redeemer parish asked Bishop Otis Charles, a retired Episcopalian prelate, to lead the November 30 service. After serving as the Bishop of Utah from 1971 to 1993, he publicly announced that he is homosexual. Divorced from the mother of his 5 children, he solemnized a same-sex union in 2004.


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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
THE CUP OF BLESSING WHICH WE BLESS, IS IT NOT A PARTICIPATION IN THE BLOOD OF CHRIST? THE BREAD WE BREAK, IS IT NOT A PARTICIPATION IN THE BODY OF CHRIST?

But say, how do you participate in blood???
Would that be the same as the way you participate in a Kawasaki Motorcycle??? Or participate in a Crescent Wrench???

441 posted on 11/25/2011 10:29:14 PM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
the Church as Israel.

Now that is pure baloney!

Unfortunately, biblical ignorance begets inaccurate interpretation which in turn begets false doctrine. The result is deception....and deception is not of the Lord Jesus Christ. There is no way at all that Christians have "replaced" Israel or you're going to have ignore and completely discount the vast promises God has made to Israel which were NOT conditional. Not to mention pretty much the entire book of Revelations, Isaiah, Romans, Hebrews and others.

People who adhere to "replacement theology" time and again go down a very slippery slope ...and on their way twist and squirm themselves into a pretzel attempting to make the scriptures "fit" their theology. In doing so they insult God beyond measure. ......

...Because God tells us His covenant... that gives Israel—the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob—the land of promise will last FOREVER: "He is the LORD our God; His judgments are in all the earth. ...He remembers HIS COVENANT FOREVER, the word which He commanded, for a thousand generations, the covenant which He made with Abraham, and HIS OATH to Isaac, and confirmed it to Jacob for a STATUTE, to Israel as an EVERLASTING COVENANT, saying, “To you I will give the land of Canaan as the allotment of your inheritance" (Ps. 105:7–11). God could not have made Himself any clearer.

442 posted on 11/25/2011 10:30:17 PM PST by caww
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
i need to repeat a post to CB, Christians believe Jesus Christ is God. He is fully capable of providing His Blood to us in the cup of blessing.

At least this is what Christians believe and have for 2,000 years since we received this teaching from the Apostles.

And you believe Mary is God's mother...So what???

And you always have to add extra 'junk' to your statements...

Christians didn't believe that nonsense for 2000 years...No one believed what you guys believe until your religion made this stuff up and left the 'church' to start your own religion and that wasn't 2000 years ago...

If Jesus no longer had any blood but he can make some up for you whenever you wave the magic wand, Jesus could also have provided the Mormons with their bibles...

Your religion is built on human (natural man) logic...

443 posted on 11/25/2011 10:40:24 PM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: smvoice
Casting out devils is not always of God.

I would even venture saying most who do this or claim such are not following the Spirit of God. There is much "drama" surrounding these claims and practices and attention given the party, usually a religious leader or specific individual. The individual is often held in great honor and it is the honor received which is their motive for claiming such "power". This is also heavily present in cults and false religions where leaders or those in charge claim this "power" and while preying on peoples emotions and or their desire for something miraculous to occur...."a sign" if you will.

444 posted on 11/25/2011 10:44:54 PM PST by caww
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To: caww; GiovannaNicoletta
Romans 11:1-32 1I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel? 3 "Lord, they have killed your prophets, they have demolished your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life." 4But what is God’s reply to him? "I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal." 5So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. 6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.

7What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened, 8as it is written,

"God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that would not see and ears that would not hear, down to this very day."

9And David says,

"Let their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a retribution for them; 10let their eyes be darkened so that they cannot see, and bend their backs forever."

11So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. 12Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean!

13Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry 14in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them. 15For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead? 16 If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, 18do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. 19Then you will say, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in." 20That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. 23And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. 24For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.

25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I want you to understand this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,

"The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob"; 27"and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins."

28As regards the gospel, they are enemies of God for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, 31so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now receive mercy. 32For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

445 posted on 11/25/2011 10:45:49 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
eh, hate to break the news to you but Christians know that Jesus has already established His Kingdom.

Colossians 1:13-14

That sword appears to be mighty big for you...Slicing it thru the air like that, you must be bleedin' all over the place...

446 posted on 11/25/2011 10:53:45 PM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: metmom

Amen! and Amen!


447 posted on 11/25/2011 10:55:00 PM PST by caww
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
i guess i am stupid, but when your previous post said Jesus died ONCE ( boldened for emphasis ) i took that to mean you were implying the Church taught something different than that. that was my mistake, i am glad we agree Jesus died once.

I was thinking the same thing but don't your religious people teach other that Jesus died once but continues to die (once) every day of every year???

448 posted on 11/25/2011 10:59:21 PM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
do i need to explain again who the “Israel of God” is?

hint: it has nothing to do with DNA.

hint 2 : read Galatians 3:29.

There you go cutting yourself again...

What was the promise Paul was referring to???

Out of 33,000 verses of scripture in the bible, you've narrowed it down to one verse to pick your doctrine from...God apparently wasted a lot of ink...

449 posted on 11/25/2011 11:05:17 PM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Religion Moderator; Natural Law; aruanan; Salvation; D-fendr; Jvette; MarkBsnr; ...

Given the responses on this thread, I have to wonder.

If you are unilaterally banning exorcism prayers, then how about unilaterally banning the charges of demonism, witchcraft, seances, occult activity — those certainly evoke a need for exorcism prayers on my part; clear flame bait, apparently.

Your consideration is appreciated. Hope you had a blessed Thanksgiving.


450 posted on 11/26/2011 3:10:12 AM PST by Judith Anne (For rhe sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us, and on the whole world.)
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To: Judith Anne; Religion Moderator; Natural Law; aruanan; Salvation; D-fendr; Jvette; MarkBsnr; ...

I believe the RM. I see no reason for him to lie.


451 posted on 11/26/2011 5:48:08 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
let’s test your theory. if your version of the “church” is true, you should be able to name at least one Christian in each of the first 10 centuries after Christ. can you?

This should prove interesting. Quite a perceptive question.

452 posted on 11/26/2011 6:37:04 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
isn’t it amazing that the ones who proclaim they are “saved” the loudest are the ones who have no problem with continuously and delibrately telling “untruths” about the Church? they claim to follow and believe in Jesus, yet attack His Body. Luke tells us in Acts that Jesus takes the persecution of His Body very personally. by their fruits you will know them......

When all you have is the god in the mirror, you have to protest very loudly in order to hide it from everyone else.

453 posted on 11/26/2011 6:40:37 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: metmom
It is the Church that is the pillar and foundation of truth, not some apostate in his cups deriving new truths with every gulp.

Jesus is the rock on which the church, His body comprised of believers throughout the ages, is built.

Do you believe that Paul was lying when he told us that the Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth? Or is that redacted from your Bible too?

454 posted on 11/26/2011 6:42:11 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: CynicalBear
We listen to Christ, not some guy in a pointy hat in Rome.

Given the amazing amount of Scripture that your side dispenses with, we're not sure that you listen to anyone else other than the guy in the mirror.

455 posted on 11/26/2011 6:43:51 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: metmom
When I got baptized as an adult...

Hmm, more pagan practices. Only pagans rebaptize.

456 posted on 11/26/2011 6:46:27 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: metmom
Also, the burden is on you to PROVE that Paul meant the Roman Catholic church. Where's it named in Scripture?

The NT gives the timeline until it ends, and then Church history picks it up. I'm sorry if you don't like the obvious conclusion that those who make it all up as they go along are not Christian.

457 posted on 11/26/2011 6:48:07 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: CynicalBear
Why is it so difficult for Catholics to understand that a Christian is someone who believes on and trusts in Jesus for salvation?

Jesus, of course. Not the ravings of someone in their cups making it all up as they go along.

458 posted on 11/26/2011 6:49:04 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

We simply discount the interpretation of those who would corrupt scripture to attempt to make it mean something different than it does.


459 posted on 11/26/2011 6:50:05 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
And what is it exactly that you think we are trying to do for Catholics? We try to teach them that the RCC has led them away from the simple gospel of Jesus.

I know you are. Doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.

So by that are you admitting that the “vicar” in Rome is truly your god since that is who you listen to?

The vicar is the dude that is here, until Jesus comes again. Exactly as Jesus meant it to be. You don't have to like it; that is immaterial to me. We look at the Pope in the same light as we look at Peter in early Acts. No more, and certainly, no less.

460 posted on 11/26/2011 6:52:12 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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