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Gay Episcopal Bishop to Preach at San Francisco Catholic Parish
Catholic Culture ^ | 11/22/11

Posted on 11/23/2011 11:11:08 AM PST by marshmallow

A notoriously 'gay-friendly' parish in San Francisco has invited an openly homosexual Episcopalian cleric to lead an Advent Vespers service.

Most Holy Redeemer parish asked Bishop Otis Charles, a retired Episcopalian prelate, to lead the November 30 service. After serving as the Bishop of Utah from 1971 to 1993, he publicly announced that he is homosexual. Divorced from the mother of his 5 children, he solemnized a same-sex union in 2004.


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To: thesaleboat
Catholic Means Universal, its not particular, God wants all to give Glory to Him and spend eternity with Him in Heaven.

No...Catholic does not mean universal...Catholic is the Proper name you guys gave to your religion...

Catholic, small c may mean universal in latin...But universal means universal in English...And since we are speaking in English on this forum, there isn't even any room for the word catholic...

181 posted on 11/24/2011 12:38:24 PM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: thesaleboat
Bow to our Pope’s? Jesus Christ appointed the first Pope Himself, and He said our church would remain unto the end of the world.

Peter was anything but a rock...And no Jesus did not say YOUR church would remain until the end of the world...Jesus said THE church...Not the Church...And definately not the Catholic Church...

You want to learn what the church is, study the scriptures...

182 posted on 11/24/2011 12:43:23 PM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: CynicalBear
When did it become “believe on the Nicene Creed and you will be saved”?

It's hard to say whether they just invented that one today, or if they just revealed another one of their long held secrets...

Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me the Apostles Creed, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord Apostles Creed shall be saved.

Man are they ever playing with fire...I'll be God's talking to himself while reading their posts...

183 posted on 11/24/2011 12:56:31 PM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Iscool

be=bet


184 posted on 11/24/2011 12:58:13 PM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; CynicalBear
if your version of the “church” is true, you should be able to name at least one Christian in each of the first 10 centuries after Christ.

I suppose that the best definition of Christian for the anti Catholic is "not Catholic". After all, they spawned the JWs, the Branch Davidians, the Mormons, the thousands of different Pentecostal groups and the abominable Presbyterian, Methodist and Anglican gay friendly groups.

185 posted on 11/24/2011 1:06:48 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: metmom
The Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth, according to Paul hizzelf in 1 Timothy 3:15. Are you going to disown Paul, or are you going to Luther him out of your Bible? The Church is the organization that Jesus left, not anybody who can claim street preacher status. What do you use to pick your signs of the day, anyway?


186 posted on 11/24/2011 1:16:29 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: CynicalBear
We listen to Christ, not some guy in a pointy hat in Rome.

Izzat so? 2 Timothy 2: 1 "You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus, and what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also"

If you do not listen to the rightful teachers, but only the god in the mirror, you are not following Christ, but your own whims. Your own admitted substitution of other sources from the Church leads you away from Christ.

187 posted on 11/24/2011 1:20:29 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: thesaleboat
“Not really. Acts and the Epistles tell us about all the churches of men that arise on a continuous basis out of the ooze of human imagination.”

no, they ooze from hell

satan is very imaginative.

188 posted on 11/24/2011 1:22:02 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; CynicalBear; smvoice; Iscool; MarkBsnr; Judith Anne; ...
just name someone from the third century and sixth century that from their writings or what was written about them, you consider someone you would call a Christian.

Why?

What's the point of this mental exercise?

189 posted on 11/24/2011 1:32:49 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: thesaleboat

I don’t belong to a denomination, nor a church, nor was I baptized into one.

When I got baptized as an adult after making a decision to follow Christ, it was a statement of faith, but did not confer membership into any denomination.


190 posted on 11/24/2011 1:35:57 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: CynicalBear; smvoice; Iscool; boatbums; caww; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; ...
Acts 16:31 And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."

Romans 10:6-17 6But the righteousness based on faith says, "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?'" (that is, to bring Christ down) 7or "'Who will descend into the abyss?'" (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); 9because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

11For the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame." 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

14How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? 15And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!" 16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?" 17So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:18-24 18For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart."

20 Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. 22For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, 23but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, 24but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

191 posted on 11/24/2011 1:48:13 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: thesaleboat; Iscool
Bow to our Pope’s? Jesus Christ appointed the first Pope Himself, and He said our church would remain unto the end of the world.

Where's the word *pope* found in Scripture?

Where in Scripture is Peter's acknowledgment of that office?

Where in Scripture are the instructions Peter left for apostolic succession, how to pick his successor?

192 posted on 11/24/2011 1:51:40 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: MarkBsnr
The Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth, according to Paul hizzelf in 1 Timothy 3:15.

Paul says the foundation is Christ.

1 Corinthians 3:11 For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Romans 9:30-32 30What shall we say, then? That Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have attained it, that is, a righteousness that is by faith; 31but that Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness did not succeed in reaching that law. 32Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. They have stumbled over the stumbling stone, 33as it is written,

"Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense; and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame."

1 Corinthians 10:1-8 1For I want you to know, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, 2and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3and all ate the same spiritual food, 4and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ. 5Nevertheless, with most of them God was not pleased, for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

6Now these things took place as examples for us, that we might not desire evil as they did. 7 Do not be idolaters as some of them were; as it is written, "The people sat down to eat and drink and rose up to play." 8 We must not indulge in sexual immorality as some of them did, and twenty-three thousand fell in a single day.

9We must not put Christ to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents, 10nor grumble, as some of them did and were destroyed by the Destroyer. 11Now these things happened to them as an example, but they were written down for our instruction, on whom the end of the ages has come. 12Therefore let anyone who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall.

So does Peter....

1 Peter 2:4-8 4As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, 5 you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6For it stands in Scripture: "Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a cornerstone chosen and precious, and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame."

7So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe, "The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,"

8and "A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense."

They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do.

193 posted on 11/24/2011 2:03:25 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: MarkBsnr
The Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth, according to Paul hizzelf in 1 Timothy 3:15.

Also, the burden is on you to PROVE that Paul meant the Roman Catholic church. Where's it named in Scripture?

194 posted on 11/24/2011 2:04:45 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: CynicalBear; Natural Law; metmom; Iscool

EXACTLY the point, CB. Thanks


195 posted on 11/24/2011 2:12:35 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: MarkBsnr; one Lord one faith one baptism; smvoice; metmom; boatbums
>>I suppose that the best definition of Christian for the anti Catholic is "not Catholic".<<

Why is it so difficult for Catholics to understand that a Christian is someone who believes on and trusts in Jesus for salvation?

196 posted on 11/24/2011 2:23:03 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: metmom

Read my profile, that is what adults must read before getting baptized into the true faith of Christ. Mom, im sorry listen to me honestly, read about Akita: http://www.ewtn.com/library/mary/akita.htm

I also never lie.


197 posted on 11/24/2011 2:31:59 PM PST by thesaleboat (Pray The Rosary Daily)
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To: Natural Law; metmom; CynicalBear; boatbums; Iscool

Let me ask it this way: Do you believe the Creeds are summaries of the fundamental beliefs of the faith? [185-192]. The Catholic Church gives special recognition of the Apostle’s Creed and the Nicene Creed.[193-195]. Are they officially the summaries of the fundamental beliefs of the Catholic Church? And are they what your term for “Christian” consist of?


198 posted on 11/24/2011 2:33:10 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: MarkBsnr
>>2 Timothy 2: 1 "You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus, and what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also"<<

And what is it exactly that you think we are trying to do for Catholics? We try to teach them that the RCC has led them away from the simple gospel of Jesus.

>>If you do not listen to the rightful teachers, but only the god in the mirror,<<

So by that are you admitting that the “vicar” in Rome is truly your god since that is who you listen to?

199 posted on 11/24/2011 2:34:04 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: metmom
>>Where in Scripture are the instructions Peter left for apostolic succession, how to pick his successor?<<

That’s all in the secret tradition along with the secret hand shake that no one is supposed to know in case they want to corrupt or steal the information.

200 posted on 11/24/2011 2:41:34 PM PST by CynicalBear
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