Posted on 11/23/2011 11:11:08 AM PST by marshmallow
A notoriously 'gay-friendly' parish in San Francisco has invited an openly homosexual Episcopalian cleric to lead an Advent Vespers service.
Most Holy Redeemer parish asked Bishop Otis Charles, a retired Episcopalian prelate, to lead the November 30 service. After serving as the Bishop of Utah from 1971 to 1993, he publicly announced that he is homosexual. Divorced from the mother of his 5 children, he solemnized a same-sex union in 2004.
My personal interpretation is that gays should not be clergy or in the ministry? What do those books have to do with that? Did they say somewhere that immorality in the leadership of the church is acceptable?
When those who interpret Scriptures to suit themselves come to a direct quote of Jesus Christ that doesn't agree with their own interpretation of Scriptures, is it the infallible opinion of the interpreter that Jesus Christ lied or that Jesus Christ was too stupid to say what He meant?
Among the infallible who interpret Scriptures to suit themselves are many churches that ordain queers and claim their own infallible interpretation of Scriptures proves that ordaining queers is a good thing. If an infallible interpreter of Scriptures has their own personal interpretation of Scriptures that doesn't approve of ordaining queers, why isn't the fact that such infallible interpreters of Scriptures insist that Jesus Christ couldn't make Himself clearly understood reason enough to admit that ordaining queers might be just fine since Christ couldn't say what he meant?
When an infallible interpreter of the Bible denies that Jesus Christ said what he meant, does that mean that Christ was stupid, that the interpreter has special secret knowledge, that the interpreter is so much smarter than Christ that the interpreter can divine the true meaning even though Christ misspoke, or that the Bible does contain errors but only those errors the infallible interpreter defines as they see fit based on their own personal interpretation of Scriptures?
it’s the Holy Spirit leading us to faith in Jesus Christ, using THE CHURCH, as reflected all thru ACTS.
no one in the NT was brought to faith in Jesus Christ without THE CHURCH, if you can name someone who was, please show me where.
Well, the Bible doesn't explicitly say he wasn't so we can just work on the presumption that he was until someone comes along and disproves it.
LOL, the Scriptures don’t explicitly say Mary wasn’t assumed into heaven once she dies, so we can work on the presumption she was until someone comes along and disproves it.
right?
Luther came up with a new doctrine and then threw out seven books in the Old Testament and wanted to throw out books in the New Testament as well but his drinking buddy Phil didn't think that was a good move politically, so Luther let the books he didn't like in the New Testament stay but called them junk. Calvin added a book to the New Testament he included in his version of the canon saying what he wrote was every bit as inspired as what the Apostles wrote.
Since it's obvious that the originators of the doctrine of each individual having their own personal version of Scripture started with their own doctrine and then manipulated the Bible to suit themselves, why shouldn't everyone who interprets the Bible to suit themselves add and subtract books to suit their own interpretation of Scripture instead of crossing out so many verses and sticking Post-It notes everywhere?
Do all infallible interpreters of Scriptures who started by accepting a Bible with parts of the Old Testament thrown out buy special copies of the New Testament with some of the verses already crossed out or is adding and deleting verses something they all do for themselves because they are each and every one individually infallible and smarter than anyone who has ever lived before in the entire history of the world?
THOSE ARE INCREDIBLE STATS.
What a stark indictment against the fossilized farce of the Vatican Ashteroth-Mary-Goddess cult.
Have you speculated on how many microseconds it will take the DENIERS to begin carping and vainly trying to explain them away?
the stats are further confirmation that the falling away from the Faith right before the end is here.
truly the two witnesses are dead ( as described in Revelation) and the world is rejoicing.
the question you two guys should be asking yourselves is, “why i am i rejoicing as well?”
Certainly the body of Elijah and ____?_____ have not lain in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 days in full view of the "whole world."
If ignorance of that is evidence of RC's Biblical knowledge, welllll . . . that's embarrassing.
2. I don't observe that the last 'Revival' Great Ingathering move of God has occurred yet. The falling away is most likely to come after that. Even a number of RC's have been posting about RC prophetic types discoursing about that. I forget what label y'all call it by.
3. God is not going to leave all the drama and miraculous demonstrations to satan. Not by a long shot.
Exodus 20:4-6 4 "You shall NOT make for yourself
a carved image,
or any likeness
of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Yes, you do or you're going to continue to make a fool of yourself.
OK. this conversation started in post 2220 here....
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2811552/posts?page=2200#2200
with you saying:
"Hey, how about that infallible Episcopalian clergyman, he's just fine and wonderful like the Presbyterian lesbian pastor, and the Baptist queer couple, and on and on. All anyone has to know about who cannot do anything other than whine and repeat total untruths is to look at what this whole series of comments started over. A Catholic priest who may get away with allowing an ordained Episcopalian queer preach in a Catholic Church. Forget that the guy preaches in his own church or if still an Episcopalian Bishop, many churches, forget the fact that Protestant churches by the thousands are ordaining queers, marrying one faggot to another, preaching that abortion is fine, forget all of that and attack the Catholic Church."
To which I responded in post 2210
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2811552/posts?page=2210#2210
You then replied with post 2217 which said, (Rashputin)"didnt read that, didnt need to. Why do you like Episcopalian queers but hate Catholics?"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2811552/posts?page=2217#2217
I replied with 2219 which was mm: "Do you have reading comprehension issues? Reread the first few sentences again. I dont justify it for ANY clergy or anyone in the ministry of anyone in any position of responsibility within any church."
to which you responded with post 2225 .....
"didn't read that, didn't need to Do you ignore Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation like Luther did or do you just redefine parts of those books to suit yourself? When your're ignoring and revising various chapters and verses to suit your own personal interpretation of Scriptures, do you insert whole pages of revised replacements you came up with or do you go verse by verse with Post-it notes layered one over the other?"
Now, God and you alone know where that came from and what it could possibly have to do with gays in the clergy.
It appears that you have lost track of the conversation because I can't for the life of me figure out what you're arguing with me about and how that relates to my statement that there is no excuse for anyone being in leadership position in the church who is living in that kind of blatant immorality.
Tell me, how is one to otherwise interpret verses in Scripture that condemn immorality in the person who calls themselves a believer?
LOL, the two witnesses have been here for 2,000 years.
the witnesses are THE CHURCH.
the testimony of the Church has effectively been killed and the world is rejoicing.
why are you rejoicing as well?
It wasn't in his writings...It was in his 'beyond scripture' teaching that he revealed to the Catholic church...Which became part of their tradition...
They obviously don't care what scripture says...
What a scheme that these people fall for...
Like Jesus said, there's a sucker born every minute...
Yeah. I’m probably a bit younger than most of these ex-Catholics.
I can say that Bible reading is emphasized in many contemporary Roman Catholic parishes.
Yeah. I’m probably a bit younger than most of these ex-Catholics.
I can say that Bible reading is emphasized in many contemporary Roman Catholic parishes.
When the elders get together to have a hankie prayer party because so many fellow believers have sent in their ten hankie bucks, and none of the elders has sinus congestion, do the elders still pay a junkie with chronic post nasal drip to blow his nose on each one so it won't be considered an icon or have they gone to just having an elder salivate on each one? Or, do some infallible interpreters of Scriptures who have their own personal interpretation of Scriptures not know about the prayer hankie ritual?
If one infallible interpreter of Scripture knows about the hankie ritual and another infallible interpreter of Scripture doesn't, do the interpreters who don't know the ritual still open their chest of drawers and find soiled hankies after a hankie prayer party so that they won't think their hankies are icons?
If someone sends their own hankie in to have it prayed over, and the hankie is lavender with "Chuck loves Bubba" on it, do the infallible interpreters of Scripture send it back, blow their nose on it and send it back without praying over it, or go ahead and both blow their nose on it and pray over it because they know an fellow infallible interpreter of Scripture sent it in along with ten bucks so even if they're queers they're infallible queers?
Luther also had his sites on Hebrews, Jude, and Revelation.
I’d have thought that
And God wrought special miracles by
the hands of Paul: So that from his body, were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or
aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.
Acts 19:11-12
Was even in y’all’s rubberized ‘Bible.’ ???
Oh, it must be! LOL:
http://www.totallycatholic.com/product.php?id=2256
Romans 5:1
St. John Chrysostom
Chap. v. ver. 1. Therefore being justified by faith, let us have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
What does Let us have peace mean? Some say, Let us not be at variance, through a peevish obstinacy for bringing in the Law. But to me he seems to be speaking now of our conversation. For after having said much on the subject of faith, he had set it before righteousness which is by works, to prevent any one from supposing what he said was a ground for listlessness, he says, let us have peace, that is, let us sin no more, nor go back to our former estate. For this is making war with God. And how is it possible, says one, to sin no more? How was the former thing possible? For if when liable for so many sins we were freed from all by Christ, much more shall we be able through Him to abide in the estate wherein we are. For it is not the same thing to receive peace when there had been none, and to keep it when it has been given, since to acquire surely is harder than to keep. Yet nevertheless the more difficult has been made easy, and carried out into effect. That which is the easier thing then will be what we shall easily succeed in, if we cling to Him who has wrought even the other for us. But here it is not the easiness only which he seems to me to hint at, but the reasonableness. For if He reconciled us when we were in open war with Him, it is reasonable that we should abide in a state of reconciliation, and give unto Him this reward for that He may not seem to have reconciled untoward and unfeeling creatures to the Father.
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