Posted on 11/21/2011 11:50:12 AM PST by Pyro7480
Auxiliary Bishop Says Communion In the Hand is a Calvinist Novelty
Not Even Martin Luther Would Have Done It
In the last century the Old Liberal Bishops promoted hand Communion. They used a historical lie toward this end.
(kreuz.net)Present day Communion in the Hand has no roots in the early Church.
This was stressed by Auxiliary Bishop Athanasius Schneider (50) of Astana in Kazakhstan on the 19th on the radio station 'Radio Maria Südtirol'
Msgr Schneider is a Patristic expert.
Hand Communion was contrived "all new" from the Second Vatican Council -- the Auxiliary Bishop firmly said.
The antique Church had practiced a completely different form for the reception of Communion.
In that period the hand in which Communion was received was purified before and after.
Additionally, the faithful would take the Body of the Lord from their hand in a disposition of prayer with his tongue:
"If anything it was more of an oral reception of Communion than in the hand".
After Communion, the communicant had to lick their hands with their tongues, so that even the smallest particle should not be lost.
A Deacon supervised the purification.
The Auxiliary Bishop cotinued: "This concern and care stands in direct opposition to indifference and carelessness with which so called Communion in the hand is dispensed."
Women never held Communion simply on the flat of the hand.
They spread a white cloth, a manner of corporal over their hand.
Then, they would receive Communion directly to their mouth from the linen cloth.
"That is a tremendous contrast to the present form of Communion in the hand" -- insisted Msgr Schneider.
The ancient faithful never took Communion with their fingers: "the gesture of hand Communion was completely unknown in the Church."
The Antique Form of Giving Communion Was Impractical in the Final Analysis
In the course of the centuries the Church developed a form of giving Communion which "surely came from the Holy Ghost".
Msgr Schneider explained that the Eastern Church had already completed this step by the 5th Century, the West somewhat later.
The transition took place worldwide, organically, instinctively and peacefully.
The Auxiliary Bishop reports that Pope Gregory the Great († 604), gave Communion in on the tongue.
French and Spanish Synods of the 8th and 9th Centuries sanctioned against touching the Host with excommunication:
"If a Synod can make such a strict threat, this form will be forbidden in a short time."
Communion in the Hand Comes from the Calvinists
According to the Auxiliary Bishop, communion in the hand comes from the Dutch Calvinists of the 17th Century.
Calvinism denies the real presence of Christ in the Host.
One such communion in the hand wasn't even practiced by the Lutherans:
"The Lutherans have until quite recently, and till today in Scandinavian lands, preserved communion kneeling and on the tongue."
Link to original, kreuznet...
I don’t insist on the term Yes, it could have the meaning you ascribe. The priest is acting as the agent of Christ. Literally, the hands and voice of Christ.
I am fairly sure the Assyrians would practice communion in the hand, as that was the normative practice throughout the East until the introduction of the communion spoon (properly called “labis”, meaning “tongs” in reference to the passage from Isaiah now quoted after the communions, “lo, this has touched your lips and will purge away all your iniquity”), which I think dates to the 5th century at earliest — though it may have been as late as the 8th.
Of course, I’m not sure whether advising folks who want communion in the hand to become Assyrians is sound advice: they’ll end up venerating Nestorius and Theodore of Mopsuestia as saints.
[:-)==== (Orthodox monastic smiley)
Really? Did they wash their own feet? No, Jesus did it for them.
Exactly! Thank you! Such a move was highly unusual, and noted in detail by the writer of the Gospel! Indeed, it was so unusual, the objection of Peter is highlighted.
Given this detail is LACKING in the inaugural Communion ceremony, we can rightly figure it was done in the normal fashion as other Passover seders.
I appreciate your input.
Interesting. Have you heard of there being more than one Passover meal? :) I have.
Yes!
No, I haven't. Can you tell me more (or provide a link)?
You wrote:
“Given this detail is LACKING in the inaugural Communion ceremony, we can rightly figure it was done in the normal fashion as other Passover seders”
Actually no, we can’t assume that. The nature of the Eucharist was such that few details were recorded. Jesus was always much more hands-on than was common in Jewish society. That doesn’t mean such an instance would have been recorded for the most precious of things.
“Take, eat; this is my body.” Matthew 26:26
I suppose you need to go back to the original text but that sounds like a hand was involved to me.
>>At least we don’t take it from our hand...<<
Well, if the guys in that film are an example of Methodists taking communion, they take it in the face.
Although I’m pretty sure that Hamada is Shinto and Endo is Catholic.
Ping!
>>Really? Did they wash their own feet? No, Jesus did it for them.<<
We have a winner!
A Calvinist novelty? I don’t think so...
Have you noticed the increasing number of Catholics calling for Inquisitions and Monarchy here in America?
Unless they are the Assyrians that are in communion with the Pope. The Chaldeans.
I haven't. When/where has this happened?
>>Have you noticed the increasing number of Catholics calling for Inquisitions and Monarchy here in America? <<
LOLOL! I do love your posts Alex!
Exactly. And whereas modern Americans don't do that kind of thing (except maybe bride and groom with wedding cake), Israelis and Arabs do -- not all the time, but in circumstances of hospitality or friendship. (Ethiopians do too, I hear, at shared meals if there's affection present.)
Of course, we don't know what would have been considered "out of the ordinary" at the time. Modern Passover seders (especially as practiced in America) might not be an infallible guide.
Wow, where have you been? Archaeologists discovered the hammer camera about a decade ago and now realize it was in widespread use for group pictures as early as 90 BC.
It was an hammer an chisel arrangement that you could stand in front of and as someone turned a crank it would rapidly chisel out a pattern of light and dark to recreate what was in front of it on whatever soft rock you put in place on the chisel tray. You could then take a piece of Goat gut, stretch it across the light and dark pattern, and with a roller you would transfer the pattern onto the goat gut. You then dried the goat gut and used it to make images from with any sort of pigment on the gut and fabric as the final media you would put over the gut and again run your little roller across the media to copy the pattern off of the goat gut.
Now the posted image has obviously been colorized and given the darkness of the image, it was probably made from the "instant" version of the camera that worked faster was called the hammeroid. The images weren't quite as good, but the hammeroid was portable so you could photograph things outside of a carefully prepared studio. Weddings, executions, and as we see above, feasts, were all popular subjects for those with hammeroids.
As I recall, someone made a goat gut image of Nero who then outlawed the hammerroid and destroyed all the earlier versions. Otherwise, we'd have a lot more pictures like the one above.
Try and keep up, OK?> /sarc from Wow to OK
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