Posted on 11/04/2011 12:06:23 PM PDT by RnMomof7
1. The precious blood of Christ has a REDEEMING POWER. It redeems from the law. We were all under the law which says, "This do, and live." We were slaves to it: Christ has paid the ransom price, and the law is no longer our tyrant master. We are entirely free from it. The law had a dreadful curse; it threatened that whosoever should violate one of its precepts, should die: "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us." By the fear of this curse, the law inflicted a continual dread on those who were under it; they knew they had disobeyed it, and they were all their lifetime subject to bondage, fearful lest death and destruction should come upon them at any moment: but we are not under the law, but under grace, and consequently "We have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear, but we have received the spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."
We are not afraid of the law now; its worst thunders cannot affect us, for they are not hurled at us! Its most tremendous lightnings cannot touch us, for we are sheltered beneath the cross of Christ, where the thunder loses its terror and the lightning its fury. We read the law of God with pleasure now; we look upon it as in the ark covered with the mercy seat, and not thundering in tempests from Sinai’s fiery brow.
Happy is that man who knows his full redemption from the law, its curse, its penalty, its present dread. My brethren, the life of a Jew, happy as it was compared with that of a heathen, was perfect drudgery compared to yours and mine. He was hedged in with a thousand commands and prohibitions, his forms and ceremonies were abundant, and their details minutely arranged. He was always in danger of making himself unclean. If he sat upon a bed or upon a stool, he might be defiled; if he drank out of an earthen pitcher, or even touched the wall of a house, a leprous man might have put his hand there before him, and he would thus become defiled.
A thousand sins of ignorance were like so many hidden pits in his way; he must be perpetually in fear lest he should be cut off from the people of God. When he had done his best any one day, he knew he had not finished; no Jew could ever talk of a finished work. The bullock was offered, but he must bring another; the lamb was offered this morning, but another must be offered this evening, another tomorrow, and another the next day. The Passover is celebrated with holy rites; it must be kept in the same manner next year. The high priest has gone within the veil once, but he must go there again; the thing is never finished, it is always beginning. He never comes any nearer to the end. "The law could not make the comer thereunto perfect."
But see our position: we are redeemed from this. Our law is fulfilled, for Christ is the end of the law for righteousness; our passover is slain, for Jesus died; our righteousness is finished, for we are complete in Him; our victim is slain, our priest has gone within the veil, the blood is sprinkled; we are clean, and clean beyond any fear of defilement, "For he hath perfected for ever those that were set apart." Value this precious blood, my beloved, because thus it has redeemed you from the thraldom and bondage which the law imposed upon its votaries.
Full sermon here
Baptism follows faith as an act of obedience and an outward declaration of the already completely work of the Holy Spirit in the believers heart. It’s an outward sign of the inward work that already happened, that is the baptism of the Holy Spirit which already occurred
the above is from metmom.....i hear this all the time ( mostly from baptist ministers ) but is it from the Scriptures or is it a 16th century tradition of man?
so i am always willing to be schooled, can someone show me from the Scriptures:
1. where anyone was told to be baptized as an act of obedience?
2. where anyone was told that baptism is an outward declaration of already completed work of the Holy Spirit in believers heart?
3. where anyone is told to say a “sinners prayer” to receive remission of sins?
4. anywhere in Scriptures that we are told we are placed “in Christ” by any other means than baptism?
5. where Paul received remission of his sins by saying a sinners prayer and not by being baptized?
6. where the Scriptures say baptism does not save us?
7. where the Jews Peter preached to in Acts 2 received remission of their sins by something other than being baptized?
8. anywhere the Scriptures talk of “water baptism” and “spirit baptism”, as opposed to “baptism”
let’s apply the Scriptures to these questions, if MM’s statement is true, the answers to my questions should be easily provided.
LOL!!!
Really good questions. Thanks.
thanks!
stay tuned to see if i get any Scriptural answers, if history is any guide, i will be waiting a looooonnnngggg time!
( insert cricket sounds here! )
Natural Law has continued to directly call me a heretic - which I AM NOT - and that is personal insult on his/her part. I am supporting my Bible Doctrine position by Scripture and discussion when someone else goes negative with insults and such...
"I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius..and I baptized also the household of Stephanas besides I know not whither I baptized any other. For Christ sent me NOT TO BAPTIZE, but to PREACH THE GOSPEL.." 1 Cor. 1:14,16,17.
Evidently baptism does not save, or Paul would have been completely out of God's will for THANKING GOD he had baptized so few. And baptism could NOT have been part of Paul's gospel or he would have NOT THANKED GOD he had baptized so few. So what DOES save, if not baptism?
"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you THE GOSPEL which I PREACHED UNTO YOU, which also YE HAVE RECEIVED, and wherein YE STAND; by which also YE ARE SAVED if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I received, how that CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS according to the scriptures; and that HE WAS BURIED, and that HE ROSE AGAIN the third day according to the scriptures." 1 Cor. 15:1-4.
It is the gospel that saves. The gospel that Paul was given to proclaim is that Christ died for our sins, He was buried, and He rose again. No mention of baptism in that gospel of the grace of God.
When we hear the gospel of our salvation and believe it is the Holy Spirit who baptizes us SPIRITUALLY into the body of Christ. He also circumcises us with the circumcision made without hands. SPIRITUAL.
As for the rest of your questions, get in the right dispensation, and you'll find your answers. WE aren't part of the kingdom gospel. We are in the gospel of the grace of God.
I have posted a good deal of Scripture in my posts all with significantly better exegesis than the insulting posts they attempted to rebut.
I suggest that if your faith is too weak to withstand the challenges of an open thread or if you are too thin skinned to deal with a confident Catholic then you should stick to caucus threads.
FAIL #1
1 Corinthians 1 does NOT say baptism does not save us.
but you know what?
1 Peter 3:21 specifically tells us baptism DOES save us.
Baptism is an intregal part of the Gospel as Peter shows us in Acts 2:38, it’s how we receive remission of sins, it’s how we receive the Holy Spirit and it places us “in Christ”.
let’s see if anyone can do better with the rest of the questions.
NL, may i suggest not throwing pearls before swine??
Yes, it does, and Natural Law even included one of the verses that says exactly that:
but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name." - John 20:31
Shocking! Does this mean that Roman Catholics believe in two different Gods? The God I worship is the same yesterday, today and forever. He is the ONLY God and besides him there IS no other. He didn't get a makeover once the clock started ticking on the A.D. side of the timeline.
Acts 2:38 is part of the kingdom gospel: "Time Past". We are not IN the kingdom gospel. We are in the grace gospel:"But Now". BTW: 1 Peter 3:21 is "Ages to Come", those going through the tribulation to enter into the kingdom. Israel. Tra-la-la.
1 Peter was written to the Gentile Christians. Are you not a Gentile Christian?
It does not have to do totally with the End Times — very applicable material for living your life in the modern world.
And I’m leading a Bible Study on it right now too.
1 Peter, 2 Peter, James, Jude.
Quite a combination of books.
Truth hurts. It can either save or damn. But once it is heard, it can never be denied it was told a person. Words that come back to haunt for an eternity are the words that are given in spirit and in truth. And rejected.
...your exegesis consists of Catholic doctrines, not correct Pauline Bible doctrines for the Grace Church today with Christ as head of the Church, which is His body. And you are the one that continues to post insults about ‘heretic’ to a Bible believing Saved Saint-Believer as declared by God in the Pauline epistles. You are weak in Grace of God Paul ministry of grace and reconciliation, spirit baptism, Heaven and Hell, Christ as the one mediator, God the Holy Spirit as the teacher to the saints and sons of God (Romans 8:14-15), Christ has all power-not Mary, Christ dispenses Grace-not Mary. None of these are in the Bible Scriptures. God’s correct doctrines on these point are higher than mens doctrines - which is practices by too often. I follow faithfully God’s Bible and the ministry of reconciliation and Christ is head, mediator, grace supplier, God give me mercy to endure your insults. Catholic doctrines are in opposition to the doctrines of God and Christ and the Bible regarding these doctrines and you personally cannot see to understand them. That is not a weakness of mine; but of yours. Stop with the person insults. I will too.
Acts 2:38 is part of the kingdom gospel: "Time Past". We are not IN the kingdom gospel. We are in the grace gospel:"But Now". 1 Peter 3:21 is "Ages to Come", those going through the tribulation to enter into the kingdom. Israel.
1 Peter 1:1 writes to the Jews - read it:
These are people called strangers scattered, that was the Jews during the beginning of the persecution by Nero, just prior the the Temple destruction, dating 60-64 AD; Peter writes to God's elect in Diaspora which is reserved for Jews only, never Gentiles.
Also, there people whom James writes to are Jews - twelve tribes which are scattered abroad. The same term Peter uses in 1 Peter 1:1 - scattered...
Peter and James are written to Jews of the Diaspora and scatter abroad in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia. Only a incorrect handling of Scripture would classify those people as Gentiles (majority) and Jews (minority). The Gentiles are never referred to as the Diaspora and scatter abroad. You do not know how to righty divide the Word of truth.
Who do they reject ?
Mathew 12:31
>>>>We are not IN the kingdom gospel. We are in the grace gospel:”
Says who? According to whom?
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