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To: cva66snipe
Baptism by the Blood Of Christ the instant we accept Christ as Lord and Savior. At that time we are under Grace and no longer condemnation.

But then why would +Paul write in 2 Cor 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day. -- is renewed day by day. This continues from 2 Cor 4:1 as we have received mercy -- the grace is received, yet we are renewed day by day.

And this is the 2nd letter. In the first +Paul emphasises that 50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 1 Cor 15:50-51 --> in flesh and blood we cannot inherit and corruption (sin) cannot enter heaven, we shall be changed.

I agree with you that we are no longer under condemnation BUT, that does not mean we are completely purified at that point of all sin by the Grace of our God (note of course that we are only purified, sanctified by Him alone)

I respectfully think that that interpretation of Matt 3:11 is slightly off -- yes, we receive the Baptism from the Holy Spirit and we are no longer under condemnation unless we willfully reject it, but God's process of sanctifying us continues -- hence the statements that we WILL be saved and to the point, Christ's own words state that Matt 24:13 "13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

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As I said before, we cannot overcome our sins alone -- sanctification/purgatory is sanctification by GOD's grace alone.

Take it this way -- after baptism by the Holy Spirit we are not condemned, but most of us still sin in small ways, yet we are on God's process of sanctification by the sacrifice of Christ as in Heaven there is no sin.

you are correct that Christ has already FORGIVEN the sin, yet we continue to receive His grace of forgiveness, hence the refrain "we have been saved, we are being saved, we will be saved by the blood of the Lamb"

318 posted on 10/24/2011 10:24:28 PM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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To: Cronos
As I said before, we cannot overcome our sins alone -- sanctification/purgatory is sanctification by GOD's grace alone.

Which happened at the cross and was done for us forever. The purification rites given the O.T. Priest have done been fulfilled, completed, and finsished.

Take it this way -- after baptism by the Holy Spirit we are not condemned, but most of us still sin in small ways, yet we are on God's process of sanctification by the sacrifice of Christ as in Heaven there is no sin.

We ALL have sinned all except Jesus Christ while in this world have sinned. Our sins both before and after recieving Christ are buried and dead. They are no more. Only our deeds which determine our treasures in heaven face a test of purity afterward. Deeds both good and bad are tested for purity but not our physical or spiritual bodies. Our physical bodies are returned to dust {begin to decay} & our spiritual ones are with Christ the moment we die. It doesn't take a second removal the first one suffices.

1 Corinthians 15 v45The Scriptures tell us, “The first man, Adam, became a living person.”£ But the last Adam—that is, Christ—is a life-giving Spirit. 46What came first was the natural body, then the spiritual body comes later. 47Adam, the first man, was made from the dust of the earth, while Christ, the second man, came from heaven. 48Every human being has an earthly body just like Adam’s, but our heavenly bodies will be just like Christ’s. 49Just as we are now like Adam, the man of the earth, so we will someday be like Christ, the man from heaven. 50What I am saying, dear brothers and sisters, is that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. These perishable bodies of ours are not able to live forever. 51But let me tell you a wonderful secret God has revealed to us. Not all of us will die, but we will all be transformed. 52It will happen in a moment, in the blinking of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For when the trumpet sounds, the Christians who have died£ will be raised with transformed bodies. And then we who are living will be transformed so that we will never die. 53For our perishable earthly bodies must be transformed into heavenly bodies that will never die. 54When this happens—when our perishable earthly bodies have been transformed into heavenly bodies that will never die—then at last the Scriptures will come true: “Death is swallowed up in victory.£ 55O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?”£

The Last Trumpet in this case is not the blast mentioned in The Revelation. The unbelievers are not mentioned in this and those passages was directed at believers so they would know.

The Last or The Second Blast is the wedding blast the Father announces to The Groom bring home your bride. The first one occured 2000 years ago announcing the physical birth of Christ. The mystery is those who are alive physically at the time this event happens where some will be instantly transformed can be at any time. When? Who knows? Only the Father knows. Tonight? Possibly, or tomorrow possible as well, several hundred more years? Yea that is possible also.

330 posted on 10/24/2011 11:51:56 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Cronos
>> we are on God's process of sanctification<<

Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Romans 10: 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

1 Corinthians 6:11 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Are sanctified, once for all, we are justified. Not in the process of . Not will be, but are! No process to it.

340 posted on 10/25/2011 6:31:50 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Cronos
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

You like Mat. 24:13 a lot I guess since you have posted it often...But I have never seen you post John 5:24...

And the reason no doubt that you never post both verses is because it's obvious you can't fit both verses into a comprehensible doctrine...So the one verse gets posted while the other verse is ignored...

That ought to tell you there is something wrong with your understanding of the scriptures when you can't reconcile all of the scripture...

350 posted on 10/25/2011 7:55:23 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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