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To: RegulatorCountry
You said: "Abraham and Isaac upon Mount moriah, blasater1960."

If you wanted an more indepth answer...maybe you should have asked a more in depth question.

not to mention an acknowledgment that God did indeed command Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac.

That G-d told Abraham to go offer Isaac as a burnt offering is obvious. Why point out the obvious? People who say...Abraham and Isaac is a picture of G-d and Jesus are missing the point of the test. It shows nothing of the sort.

A) G-d asked Abraham...Please take your son...a special request.

B) Told him to go to Mt Moriah..the site of the future temple and sacrifices.

C) Abraham told Isaac that G-d would provide the sacrifice.

D) And he said, "Do not stretch forth your hand to the lad, nor do the slightest thing to him, for now I know that you are a God fearing man, and you did not withhold your son, your only one, from Me."

E) Abraham took the ram and offered it as a burnt sacrifice.

Now lets look at what has transpired. Abraham had 10 tests. The last being the Akeidah, the binding of Isaac. Why this test? Because Isaac was the child of G-ds promise of being a nation. And now G-d was testing him. Would G-d take away His promise to Abraham? Abraham quickly followed G-ds command. It is one thing your own life willingly but another to offer up anothers..particularly Isaac, the child from whom the nation of Israel would arise. That was a difficult test.

He takes him to the future temple site on Moriah. Binds him and then G-d stops him. The fact that he took it that far, in the eyes of G-d, it is as if he had actually done it. But G-d does not allow human sacrifice and the ram is given to Abraham. And Abraham proceeds with the burnt offering.

And G-d tells him...now I know you are a G-d fearing man. The whole point of the test and the command.

Now notice how it compares to Jesus.

G-d wasnt testing Jesus. Jesus was supposed to be god in the flesh. Jesus had no choice...no free will. He said in the garden, not my will but your will be done. (which is odd since he is supposed to be god in the flesh, why did he have to submit to himself?)

Abraham and Isaac both had free will. They chose to obey G-d.

Isaac was bound at the altar and wood on Mt Moriah. Abraham was going to slit his throat. That is the proper procedure for a sacrifice. Slit the animals throat for near instant death by rapid blood loss. The fat and ofal burned.

Jesus was not killed on Mt Moriah but at golgatha. He did not have his throat slit and rapid bllod loss. He died slowly by suffocation on the cross. His blood was not sprinkled on the altar. His fat and ofal not burned. His blood remained inside his body.

Other than the supposed father son relationship, the two stories are completely different. So what if G-d commanded Abraham to do this test. He stopped the test before human sacrifice. In at least four other locations in the bible, G-d says he HATES human sacrifice, it is an abomination to him, it didnt enter his mind to command it and He hates the shedding of innocent blood.

And the whole "sacrifice" of Jesus would have been a set up. Jesus would have been a never before seen god-man hybrid human. If I or you or anyone were 100% god and 100% man, we would not have sinned either. It is impossible for G-d to sin, therefore a god-man can not sin. The situation was rigged. So what good would be the death of a perfect human being be if it all was a set up? Jesus supposedly fulfilled the law on our behalf. Nowhere in all of Tanach does it say that a messiah will fulfill the law on our behalf, take the sins of the world, thus negating the law. No where. That is a fabrication of the NT. So the whole comparison of the Akeidah to Jesus is also baseless and fabricated.

The comaprison is not a kiddush Hashem but chillul Hashem.

127 posted on 10/22/2011 5:19:54 PM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: blasater1960
I've understood the essential concern of the chilul Hashem to be the perception of a lack of commitment to God, in the eyes of Gentiles, blasater1960. Not applicable given the circumstance. And, you've answered your own objection unawares in pointing out that self sacrifice for the glory of God, a kiddush Hashem, is actually what occurred with Jesus Christ.
130 posted on 10/22/2011 6:38:48 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: blasater1960

Just one point, not that it “proves” anything I guess, one way or the other but Jesus’ blood was spilled on the Cross, when the centurion pierced His side. “Blood and water” flowed out of where He was pierced.


135 posted on 10/23/2011 7:26:29 AM PDT by FourtySeven (When does the race card run out of credit?)
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