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To: blasater1960
I've understood the essential concern of the chilul Hashem to be the perception of a lack of commitment to God, in the eyes of Gentiles, blasater1960. Not applicable given the circumstance. And, you've answered your own objection unawares in pointing out that self sacrifice for the glory of God, a kiddush Hashem, is actually what occurred with Jesus Christ.
130 posted on 10/22/2011 6:38:48 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
I've understood the essential concern of the chilul Hashem to be the perception of a lack of commitment to God, in the eyes of Gentiles

That is not correct. Chillul Hashem is any desecration of G-ds name....Including attributing to G-d evil deeds or wrongdoing. To say that G-d would engage in human sacrifice, such as in Jesus, is a chillul Hashem.

And, you've answered your own objection unawares in pointing out that self sacrifice for the glory of God, a kiddush Hashem, is actually what occurred with Jesus Christ.

I pointed out no such thing. Martyrdom for the glory of G-d does not include a premeditated human sacrifice as if he were an Asham blood sacrfice. It is not permitted for a human being. That is why G-d hates it. And says so plainly. Each man is responsible for his own sin Ezek 18. There is no need for a god-man hybrid savior.

For someone to say that Jesus willingness to kill himself as a sacrifice for all mankind (or anyone) is permitted by G-d, goes directly against scripture. It is a chillul Hashem, you are saying that G-d behaves like the pagans who do engage in human sacrifice. G-d copies the way of the pagans he despises? G-d hates it when the Baal worshippers kill their innocent sons and daughters...including infants But copies these people? No...no way.

131 posted on 10/22/2011 8:11:20 PM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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