Posted on 10/17/2011 8:03:26 AM PDT by Colofornian
Mormons believe that in 1820 a young Joseph Smith went into the woods to pray. In answer to that prayer, they believe, Joseph was visited by God the Father and Jesus Christ. Today this is called the First Vision. As Joseph reported this vision (in the version that has since been named official), he asked the Deities which sect or church was right, and which one he should join. Joseph wrote,
I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt (Joseph SmithHistory 1:19)
Mormonism entered into the religious scene swinging. According to Mormonisms founding prophet, if you are not a Mormon, your church is wrong, your beliefs are abomination to God, and you and your fellow professing church members are all corrupt.
I wonder if Mormons would see this as an example of the blessings of faith [that] carry the responsibility of civil and respectful debate that Mitt Romney has been talking about recently?
Last weekend Dallas Pastor Robert Jeffress publically identified Mormonism as a theological cult. Dr. Jeffress used the term cult as a theological classification, not as a pejorative, but that point seems to be lost on Mormons and the mainstream media.
Since Dr. Jeffress comments have been made known, Mormons have been vocally decrying his bigotry, his hatred, and his fanaticism. Truthfully, this all too common knee-jerk Mormon reaction grows wearisome.
Mormonisms very existence is unseverable from the poisonous language of its founders and leaders. Why was The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints established? Because all existing churches in 1820 were declared wrongthey had abominable creeds and corrupt members professing those creeds. The Mormon Church was established because (it claims) true Christianity had vanished from the earth; it had fallen into complete and total apostasy:
Every Latter-day Saint knows that following the death of the apostles, Pauls prophecy was fulfilled, for there were many grievous wolves that entered the flock, and men arose speaking perverse things, so that the doctrines were changed and the true Church of Jesus Christ ceased to be on the earth. For this reason there had to come a restoration of the Church and a new revelation and bestowal of divine authority. The Church of Jesus Christ and the Holy Scriptures are, therefore, not responsible for the changed doctrines and unscientific teachings of those times, when uninspired ecclesiastics controlled the thinking of the people. (Joseph Fielding Smith, Man, His Origin and Destiny, pp. 467)
Consider just a few of the punches Mormonism has thrown in its fight against Christianity:
Christiansthose poor, miserable priests brother Brigham was speaking aboutsome of them are the biggest whoremasters there are on the earth, and at the same time preaching righteousness to the children of men. The poor devils, they could not get up here and preach an oral discourse, to save themselves from hell; they are preaching their fathers sermonspreaching sermons that were written a hundred years before they were born. (Heber C. Kimball, July 26, 1857, Journal of Discourses 5:89-90)
Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity. (Brigham Young, July 8, 1863, Journal of Discourses, 10:230).
What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest of fools (John Taylor, May 6, 1870, Journal of Discourses 13:225)
I do not wish to say anything in relation to other forms of religion; I do not know that it is necessary that I should do so; but no thinking man can admit that Christianity so-calledI call it a false Christianity, untrue to its namesatisfies the wants of humanity at the present time. (George Q. Cannon, July 15, 1883, Journal of Discourses 24:185)
The false and corrupt institutions, and still more corrupt practices of Christendom, have had a downward tendency in the generations of man for many centuries. The overthrow of those ancient degenerate races is a type of that which now awaits the nations called Christian, or in other words, the great whore that sitteth upon many waters . (Parley P. Pratt, Key to the Science of Theology, 1978, p. 106)
A false Christ is a false system of worship, a false church, a false cult that says: Lo, here is salvation; here is the doctrine of Christ. Come and believe thus and so, and ye shall be saved. We hear the voice of false Christs when we hear the Athanasian Creed proclaim that whosoever will be saved must believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are incomprehensible and uncreated, that they form a Trinity of equals, who are not three Gods but one God, and not one God but three Gods, and that unless we so believe we cannot be saved, and shall perish everlastingly. (Bruce McConkie, The Millennial Messiah: The Second Coming of the Son of Man, p. 48.)
False creeds make false churches. There is no salvation in believing a lie. Every informed, inspired, and discerning person is revolted by the absurdities and scripture-defying pronouncements in the creeds of Christendom (Bruce R. McConkie, The Mortal Messiah: From Bethlehem to Calvary 1:30. Footnote 2)
To say that Satan sits in the place of God in Christianity after the time of the Apostles is not to say that all that is in it is satanic Still, the power of God unto salvation (Rom. 1:16) is absent from all but the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which the Lord himself has proclaimed to be the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth (D&C 1:30). Satans goal of hindering many of Gods children from returning to their Fathers glory is thus realized. (Kent P. Jackson, Early Signs of the Apostasy, Ensign, December 1984, p. 9)
Given the statements Ive quoted above, Im astonished that Mormons cry foul when any Christian declares that Mormonism is outside the theological boundaries of Christianity. Do Mormons really believe it is reprehensibly one-sided for evangelical Christians to use strong language to define the fact that there are vast differences between Mormonism and Christianity? Apparently so; a Mormon calling himself Eichendorff went on record with this non sequitur: no Latter-day Saint makes a point of condemning the beliefs of Evangelicals.
Mormons who complain about Christians questioning the theology of Mormonismprotesting against any suggestion that Mormonism isnt Christianity with cries of bigotry, hatred, and fanaticismneed to take a look at the historical discourse found in their own church. I would like to see Mormons abandon this hypocritical name-calling and (changing sports metaphors here) step up to the plate for real, thoughtful discussion. As Bill McKeever is fond of saying, If Mormons want to be in the religious Big Leagues they need to knock it off.
It's called "Genesis", where Jesus Christ speaks all creation into existence.
So, perhaps you would like to tell us how your peepstone sexual predator of married women came to add more than 800 words to the end of the KJV Book of Genesis, fabricating a prophecy of his ‘coming forth in these latter days’? Clearly you seek to sow confusion and dissonance, pretending to be confused while writing purposed confusion. It is after all the LDS inc way to fertilize the field with denigrating of The Bible and all manifestations of Christianity, in order for Mormonism lies to sprout.
Historically, that's not a correct statement. Nine sects split from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (originally called the Church of Christ, and also the Church of the Latter Day Saints) before Joseph Smith, Jr.'s death in 1844. At least one, the True Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, split off during Smith's lifetime because it didn't believe in the practice of plural marriage.
Belief in Joseph Smith, Jr. as 'restoring' a One True Church also didn't keep the whole church together after his death. From the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, we now have the following Latter Day Saints denominations (most of which can be traced initially to (a) groups rejecting plural marriage when it was practiced under Smith, Jr. or Brigham Young; (b) disagreement over the successor Prophet to Smith, Jr.; (c) or groups believing in the continuation of plural marriage after the 1890 Manifesto, or after the 1890 Manifesto began to be enforced under the 1904 "Second Manifesto"):
The Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Short Creek Community
Latter Day Church of Christ
Apostolic United Brethren
Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness [sic] of Times
Church of the Lamb of God
Church of the New Covenant in Christ
Confederate Nations of Israel
Righteous Branch of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
School of the Prophets
Centennial Park
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Kingdom of God
True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Last Days
The Church of the Firstborn and the General Assembly of Heaven
Blackmore/Bountiful Community
Restoration Church of Jesus Christ
Order of Enoch
Aaronic Order
Zion's Order, Inc.
Perfected Church of Jesus Christ of Immaculate Latter-day Saints
Church of Jesus Christ (Bullaite)
Community of Christ
Church of Jesus Christ (Toneyite)
Independent RLDS / Restoration Branches
Church of Jesus Christ Restored 1830
Church of Christ (Lion of God Ministry/Clarkite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Zion's Branch)
Restoration Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Church of Christ (Temple Lot) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Fettingite) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ at Halley's Bluff (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Restored) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ "With the Elijah Message" (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Hancock) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Burtite) (Hendrickite)
Church of Israel (Hendrickite)
Church of Christ with the Elijah Message (The Assured Way of the Lord) (Hendrickite)
The Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
True Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
Restored Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite)
Holy Church of Jesus Christ (Strangite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Drewite) (Strangite)
True Church of Jesus Christ Restored (Strangite)
Pentecostal Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Whitmerite)
And the following LDS denominations that are now defunct:
Pure Church of Christ (Clarkite)
Independent Church (Hotonite)
Church of Christ (Boothite)
Church of Christ (Parrishite)
Alston Church
Church of Christ (Chubbyite)
Church of Jesus Christ, the Bride, the Lambs Wife
Church of Christ (Pageite)
True Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
The Church of Zion (Godbeite)
United Order Family of Christ
Church of the Potter Christ
Church of the Firstborn (Morrisite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Gibsonite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Most High
Church of the Christian Brotherhood
Church of Jesus Christ of the Children of Zion (Rigdonite)
Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Primative Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Church of Christ (Aaron Smith)
Church of the Messiah (Adamsite)
Church of Christ (Wrightite)
Church of Christ (Whitmerite)
Church of Christ (Brewsterite)
The Bride, the Lambs Wife
Congregation of Jehovahs Presbytery of Zion
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Gladdenite)
Independent Latter Day Saints of Nigeria
Independent Latter Day Saints of Ghana
Apostolic Divine Church of Ghana
Just factually - as a historical basis - I'm not certain that would be considered as holding a whole church together.
In my Methodist faith, as well as all other forms of Protestant Christianity that I know of, hymns are only sung to God, whether it be the father (Father, Lead Me Home), the son (More Love to Thee, O Christ) or the whole trinity (Praise Ye the Triune God). We never sing hymns to anyone else.
then please tell us the parts that are "translated correctly" bm. And while you are at it, what plain and precious parts have been removed when the evidence is substantial that it has been transmitted throughout the centuries intact.
Yes, Glenn Beck is so darn stupid; he doesnt understand anything about history. Poor Glenn.
In MY opinion, and it is playing out right now with Glenn's pay-per-view site Glenn is an opportunist and I have doubts regarding his actual belief of the mormon con.
He's a guy who sees the $$$ potential in mormonism and most especially, he's a guy whom I suspect has used the clannish mormon "help a brother get along" to the utmost in reaching his goals.
In other words, Glenn is as phony as Joseph Smith...he just actually presents some facts in his proselytizing to his followers.
Completely agree on that.
And what do you CONSIDER the JST to be?
Can this be confusing. I'm
Sorry that I quoted from this book of "fiction".
I'm honestly confessed. Is the whole Bible considered e"fiction" or just the first book ?
Well, the Joey Smith translation of the King James Bible, into King James English with added passages (800 plus words added to the end of Genesis as example) can be considered fiction. I would also count the Joey Smith ‘translation’ of the Egyptian hieroglyphs as fiction, too. How about you, Mormon?
http://www.ibiblio.org/Bahai/Texts/EN/Genesis/
The First Book Of Moses chapter 18 was declared to be "fiction"
or did I misunderstand.
You are, as usual, confused. If you are confused because you are mistaken is not for me to address. LDS inc depends upon LDS adherents remaining confused and misunderstanding. I have not mentioned Chapter 18 of Genesis.
This is what I'm addressing.
Why such games have to be played.
Don't answer, rhetorical question.
I'll act shocked.
Thanks for the ping...
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The Holy Writ of the Rolling Stones?
No, they gather no Moses...
No, they gather no Moses...
Yes you posted science fiction dressed up in old king james english. You cant fool all the people all the time.
There are rumors that Smith had association with Masonary.
I have gone all the way to becoming a Shriner - I was only commenting on what I have heard about pictures.
I worked for a 4-Star General/Morman and have some very good friends of that faith. They are thrifty just as the Quakers/Old Order Brether/Almish which you can find along old Nation Hwy One/I-70 thru-out PA, OH, IN and westward.
The Morman religion is just one man's preching to his flock that eventually grew - I have no doubt that they beleive in a single God as well as the Old/New T's.
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