If Romney were a truly conservative candidate, I would not care if he was a Mormon [MEGoody, post #2]
Does Romney’s Mormonism Matter? No, but his liberalism does. [Westbrook, post #3]
Mormon? Fine. [Da Coyote, post #11]
I could vote for a Mormon. But that doesn’t mean they aren’t wrong, theologically. I could vote for a Mormon. Just not this Mormon. [Chesley, post #16]
don’t care that Mitt is a Morman. [Joe Boucher, post #20]
Well, this a.m., my other post was this one:
Michele Bachmann's pastor on Mormonism
And here, the Mormon church-owned Deseret News thought it was relevant (after all) to tout what Michele Bachmann's pastor's religious beliefs were about Mormonism.
So tell us, FREEPERS (including many others who have said similar things on other threads to what you five have said on this one):
#1 Why were you prompted to tell other FREEPERS that Romney's religious beliefs were irrelevant to you; but simultaneously, you didn't comment re: Bachmann's pastor's religious beliefs? Wouldn't his beliefs likewise be irrelevant? Would the Rev. Wright's sermon content have been irrelevant in 2008 when voters were weighing Obama?
#2 What do you think of the Mormon church that thinks it's relevant to consider what a candidate's pastor has said about the Mormon church, but they have constantly deflected what the Mormon church (Romney's leaders) have said about the Christian church? Doesn't that appear to be heavily inconsistent?
Principle involved here: - SOME PEOPLE TURN ON ITS HEAD WHO REJECTED WHOM! [DID THE BASE LEAVE THE CANDIDATE BECAUSE OF HIS CULT? OR, DID THE BASE FINALLY REALIZE THAT THE CANDIDATE'S CULT WAS LESS-THAN-INSPIRING DUE TO ITS LABELS OF THE BASE AS 'APOSTATES,' 'CORRUPT' AND CREEDALLY ABOMINABLE?]
Were we to discuss candidates representing a broad range of alternative religions, I would guestimate that 60-80% of them do not necessarily go out of their way to slam Christianity or badly slander the spiritual reputation of Christian adherents for chunks of 170-180 years at a time. That can't be said about true-believing LDS candidates (in distinction from Jack Mormon candidates).
Simply put, the true-believing Mormon candidate who approaches us historic Christians is saying:
"You are an apostate; I am a restorationist built upon the complete ashes of your faith. Your creeds--all of them--are an 'abomination' before God. Your professing believers are 'corrupt.' Can I count on your vote then?" [See below for chapter & verse]
Conclusion: When a candidate mislabels 75-90% of his voting base's primary faith tenets and claims & reduces them to mere "apostate" status--Note that LDS "Scripture" specifically labels the entire Christian church as "apostate" and Note that 75% of people claim to be "Christians" in the more mainline/Protestant/Catholic sense--& frankly, this % is higher in the Republican party)...
...Then...
...he not only shows open disdain for his voting base, but betrays his ability to inspire confidence in his ability to accurately define a major world religion.
If he cannot even accurately define a major world religion, what confidence does he inspire re: his ability to handle national security issues, terrorist issues, & negotiation issues pertaining to another world religion like Islam?
Specific citation to above: Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith - History, verses 18-19: I asked the personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right — and which I should join. I was answered that I must join NONE of them, for they were ALL wrong, and the personage who addressed me said that ALL their creeds were an abomination in His sight: that those professors were ALL corrupt... "
LDS cannot just take or leave for this is authoritative "Scripture"; this verse originated as the supposed description of the very foundation of the Lds church--the First Vision of Joseph Smith. They claim that this is their "god's" judgment of Christians and their church bodies; they have since translated this into over 100 languages and circulated this nonsense world-wide with millions of copies.
> #1 Why were you prompted to tell other FREEPERS that
> Romney’s religious beliefs were irrelevant to you; but
> simultaneously, you didn’t comment re: Bachmann’s pastor’s
> religious beliefs?
We are currently being ruled by an anti-American, totalitarian statist, Mahometan Caliph.
While I have no intention of voting for Romney, his cult doesn’t disturb me nearly as much as that of the current occupant of the White House.
As for what the Mormon hierarchy thinks, or believes, about religious relevance, who cares? Is it inconsistent, maybe even hypocritical? Perhaps so, but why should that affect what I think? Is Romney responsible for his church's leaders?
No, he is responsible for himself only, same as anyone. And how he has handled himself is reason enough not to vote for him. I don't need to drag in his Mormonism, just like I didn't need to drag in his blackness to vote against Bambi. Both are irrelevant, and besides, I didn't need them if they had been. (As an aside, though, I wasn’t aware of what the Deseret News had said. I don't read it. But their comments are still irrelevant.)
Look, I would vote for a Muslim, if I thought that he would uphold the Constitution (the old written one, not the “living” one. Frankly, I don't think any Muslim could, not if he bought the imams, or whatever, are selling. But hypothetically, if this, then that.
I don't care what the Mormons think of evangelical Christian theology, anymore than I care what Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, Catholics, Orthodox, or neo-pagans think. Romney's religion is wrong, but it's his religion, and I think he's entitled to practice it. If someone doesn't want to vote for him because of his religion, that's alright, too. Everybody entitled to an opinion. My beef with Romney is his politics and policies.
But what he may say about my religion is one thing. I can say the same about his. It is heretical, at the least. So why get offended? God will sort us all out in the end. I hope that this clarifis my position. If not, ask and, if I can I will answer. Go with Christ.
In case you aren't aware, her pastor is NOT running for office.
If you want to know whether Bachmann's religious beliefs would have an impact on whether or not I would vote for her, the answer is no, they would not.
#2 What do you think of the Mormon church that thinks it's relevant to consider what a candidate's pastor has said about the Mormon church, but they have constantly deflected what the Mormon church (Romney's leaders) have said about the Christian church? Doesn't that appear to be heavily inconsistent?
Sure it's inconsistent. What's new? Human beings are inconsistent creatures.
Is the author of the piece running for office? Did Mitt Romney sign the piece? I'm not sure why you think I should get my panties in a wad over this.