Posted on 09/16/2011 7:22:53 AM PDT by Cronos
Building on Jim Coufal’s “The Role of Fear and Guilt in Religion,” it is a simple fact that the Bible does not prohibit blood transfusions. If you are bleeding to death, it is more dangerous to refuse a blood transfusion than to take one.
Bloodless surgeries are great if they can be elective. One-third of all trauma deaths are from blood loss.
Jehovah’s Witnesses elders will investigate and disfellowship any Jehovah Witness who takes a blood transfusion; to say the issue is a ‘personal conscience matter’ is subterfuge to keep the Watchtower out of lawsuits.
..Estimates of the number of men, women and children who have died since the Jehovah Witness blood ban inception in 1945 range between 150,000 and 250,000.
Actually, strangely enough, he will talk about everyone else’s religion but never talk of his own. As a former JW, I think you are the best person to detect a fully believing Jehovah’s Witness. thank you
If you knew anything about the subject you would know that over a thousand people in Canada were infected with HIV (AIDS) and another 20,000 with Hepatitis C. About 3000 died.
This from contaminated blood distributed by the Canadian Red Cross in the eighties.
Hepatitis C is a cause of cirrhosis and liver cancer.
Back in 2005 when the Canadian Red Cross finally plead guilty and accepted its responsibility the story was well reported and you can find it with a few keystrokes.
Much of this scandal arose from the practice of buying blood from prisoners like those in Arkansas in the eighties.
From it about 6000 in England were infected with HIV (AIDS) and Hepatitis C and nearly 2000 died.
Also reported widely and easily found.
Judith Reitman wrote an excellent book on the subject that is available at very low cost.
But you knew all this already, right? You've done research before you write, of course.
For those who are concerned about possible side effects or for religious reasons wish to avoid blood transfusions University Hospital of Newark, N.J. set up a “bloodless” surgery center and treats both elective and emergency cases.
Had you read my comment instead of making a “shoot from the lip” response about false linkages you would see the comparison was about claims of “medical necessity” going by the way.
You said “blood transfusion is needed at times”.
What times? Are you a physician who has treated people with very low blood counts?
If so you tell me all about low blood counts, delayed reactions, cancer rates with and without transfusion, alternatives like hyperbaric chamber plasma oxygenation for those with exceedingly low blood counts such as is used at Allegheny Hospital in its Bloodless Medicine and Surgery Center in Pennsylvania.
Yes, inform me of your research on the subject.
Scenario -- you've been in an accident, you've lost 1 litre of blood and are weak. What does the physician do? Follow your Jehovah's Witness philosophy? Or try to save the person?
Scenario2 - you have a bleeding ulcer or hemolytic anemia or thrombocytopenia.
What does your issue of Watchtower say about that?
Scenario3 - you have a aplastic anemia or hemophilia. Blood transfusions are necessary to survive.
What does your issue of Watchtower say about that?
Hint: Saying, “Hey dude! You O.K.?” does NOT count as an answer.
I'm having the fish and beef special at my favorite eatery. Do I have the red wine or the white?
“you have a bleeding ulcer or hemolytic anemia or thrombocytopenia.”
I could’ve sworn it was some kind of fish on my plate!
Scenario #77.
A patient feels his doctor has treated him badly so what does the patient do? He becomes a tailor so he can bring a suit against the doctor! suit..tailor... Do I need to explain it? O.k., I will in my next post. Look for it.
illogical -- typical Jehovah's Witness deviation. I said that a blood transfusion is necessary in case of massive loss of blood, and other conditions and you repeat trite old Jevhoah's Witness cultic dogma, straight out of a Watchtower issue
Oh, are you a doctor either? Can you explain why, if you have lost 1 liter of blood, you should not receive a transfusion? Just because your Watchtower editor tells one not is not an answer
You want to try being serious or go back to “I’ve Got a Scenario”?
By the bye, the patient became a tailor scenario was a play on the term “suit” for a legal case and a ensemble of clothes.
Dr. Brian Kopp, can you help us with a medical question? I'm saying that blood transfusions are sometimes necessary.
On the opposing side, Cyc poses the Jehovah's Witness point of view that blood transfusion is not needed.
Why does your Jehovah’s Witness Watchtower organization not allow blood transfusions? Does it give any reason?
On the opposing side, Cyc poses the Jehovah's Witness point of view that blood transfusion is not needed.
Yes, there most definitely are times when blood transfusions are not only medically necessary but ethically mandatory, i.e., without them you would be condemning a patient to death.
Its not even open to debate. Any attempting to argue the opposing position is simply following a cult, not science. There is no medical or legitimate moral justification for withholding a lifesaving blood transfusion.
cyc, ok, tell me what are the biblical justifications that you Jehovah's Witnesses use to argue against blood transfusions?
How does your cult justify child rape and murder?
Don’t change the topic — tell me what are the biblical justifications that you Jehovah’s Witnesses use to argue against blood transfusions?
YOU first posted posts that say that blood transfusions are not necessary.
When I gave you examples where they ARE necessary, you taunt and say I can't say that because I'm not a doctor. So I asked a certified Medical practitioner and he says that blood transfusions are not only medically necessary but ethically mandatory, i.e., without them you would be condemning a patient to death.
So, your statements are shown to be wrong -- blood transfusions are at times a medical necessity.
But, I'm willing to listen to whatever biblical justifications you Jehovah's Witnesses use to argue against blood transfusions -- please tell us
You had a chance to stay ‘on topic’ earlier, remember? Never mind, you want to try being clever, I'm not going to be the audience.
G’nite, cronos.
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