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To: djf; Salvation; livius; ArrogantBustard; marshmallow
djf, I wanted to comment on the topic you brought up, about a definition of marriage. I'm not quite sure I've gotten this quite right from a Catholic point of view (which is the point of view I want to develop) -- so if somebody I've pinged wants to jump in and correct me, I'll appreciate it.

As I understand it, there are two basic legitimate kinds of marriage, and they are Natural Marriage, and Sacramental Marriage (Matrimony).

Natural marriage is something every known society recognizes, in every century and in every culture, whether it is religious or not, whether there are legal regulations or not, and is rooted in Natural Law. This means, it's what we know is best for human flourishing. Natural marriage involves the realization that

This is regarded as a natural good, even if there are no further legal, ceremonial, or theological implications.

Then there's Sacramental Marriage (Matrimony), which is like Natural Marriage but taken to a higher level. Matrimony includes all of the above points, plus:

I don't think the Church gives a hoot about legality in the secular sense. There was a time when the Church was against civil (secular) marriage --- licensing by the State --- because neither Natural Marriage nor the Sacrament of Matrimony need licensing by the State in order to exist.

To put that a different way: the State can (and should) acnowledge marriage as an institution; but the State is not the source of marriage, cannot define (or redefine) marriage, and must not degrade or impede marriage, because marriage is the more fundamental institution. Marriage is prior to the State, more essential to human well-being than the State, and could even be said to be superior to the State.

Is that 'bout right?

44 posted on 09/09/2011 3:14:05 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Justice and judgment are the foundation of His throne." Psalm 89:14)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

You got it as far as I know!


47 posted on 09/09/2011 11:27:43 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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