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To: smvoice; Not gonna take it anymore

Agree with all that you said. But, nowhere does Scripture claim to hold within itself all the glory, mighty and majesty of God.

It is the story of our salvation, Jesus Christ.

But, to think it is all is to seek to confine God to only those words that we can read and ignore the reality of what He has done.

Eye has not seen, ear has not heard, what God has ready for those who love Him.

You can only guess at what eternal life with God will be like. Scripture tells us only what we can understand in our human form, we do not and cannot know the mind of God nor can we fathom.

Mary’s Assumption is in perfect keeping with Scripture regarding the fact that we know that God has taken, body and soul at least four people to heaven, Enoch, Elijah, Moses and Abraham.

God will reveal what He will, when He will.


2,930 posted on 09/11/2011 8:32:41 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: Jvette

And this is where we have a parting of the ways. God has told us who He bodily assumed to Heaven. He told us who they were. He never mentioned Mary. WHy? If she is the Mother of God, the Queen of Heaven and Earth, standing right now at the right hand of Jesus Christ, don’t you think He would have told us she had been bodily assumed? No one else was kept a secret.


2,931 posted on 09/11/2011 8:43:45 PM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: Jvette

Thanks for this post.


2,932 posted on 09/11/2011 8:46:46 PM PDT by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: Jvette; smvoice; Not gonna take it anymore
Mary’s Assumption is in perfect keeping with Scripture regarding the fact that we know that God has taken, body and soul at least four people to heaven, Enoch, Elijah, Moses and Abraham.

Factcheck:

Abraham, according to Gen 25:9, was laid to rest by Isaac and Ishmael, who buried him in the cave of Machpelah, along side of his wife Sarah, who preceded him (Gen 23). this site is called the Cave of the Patriarchs and is located in Hebron. AFAIR, There is *no* account of his translation whatsoever.

Moses was buried by YHWH Himself, in an unknown grave in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor (Deut. 34:6). To further the point, The devil disputed with Michael the Archangel over the body of Moses. To my knowledge, the only group that declares Moses to be translated bodily into heaven are the Mormons.

And no, btw, Mary's assumed assumption is not "perfect keeping with Scripture", as the only two known to have ascended, Enoch and Elijah, never tasted death (but likely will before they are done), and were specifically mentioned in the Scriptures. There can be no contention over the facts, as the Bible is explicit.

According to the earliest tradition I am aware of, Mary died, and was laid to rest in the Tomb of Mary in Jerusalem. Later revision has Thomas arriving late, and the tomb being opened so that he could pay his respects - whereupon the body of Mary was found to be absent. Even later revisions complicate the tale, and look a lot like revisionism to move away from the early tradition that Mary died, and was buried (being very different from the only two instances of real translation).

In keeping with reasonable historicity, without further evidences, the historical record closest to the event should bear the most weight... And that record (originating c.600/700AD, IIRC) even though formed substantially distant from the event, and thereby hardly believable, still depicts a bodily death and interment... which differs greatly from those previous accounts where death never occurred.

2,949 posted on 09/12/2011 4:37:37 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Jvette
You can only guess at what eternal life with God will be like. Scripture tells us only what we can understand in our human form, we do not and cannot know the mind of God nor can we fathom.

Catholics continually ignore the Holy Spirit when referring to Christians. Christians are 'in Christ'. "The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment: For, "Who can know the LORD's thoughts? Who knows enough to teach him?" But we understand these things, for we have the mind of Christ.

You prove the subjects of man made teachings are void of Truth. That's the result on not believing and obeying - God's Word IS The Final Authority.

Mary’s Assumption is in perfect keeping with Scripture regarding the fact that we know that God has taken, body and soul at least four people to heaven, Enoch, Elijah, Moses and Abraham.

YOU ARE ASSUMING! That's NOT how it works. KEEP with Scripture and do NOT add - that's when one walks right off the cliff of deception - right into idolatry and disobedience.
3,059 posted on 09/13/2011 7:14:40 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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