Posted on 09/02/2011 9:07:47 AM PDT by marshmallow
Minneapolis, Minnesota (CNN) –Prior to 2006, few people even knew that then-Minnesota state legislator Keith Ellison was a Muslim. Because of his English name, he said, no one thought to ask.
But five years ago, when he ran for a seat in the United States House of Representatives - a race he would go on to win - word of his religious affiliation began to spread.
“When I started running for Congress it actually took me by surprise that so many people were fascinated with me being the first Muslim in Congress,” said Ellison, a Democrat now serving his third term in the House.
“But someone said to me, ‘Look Keith, think of a person of Japanese origin running for Congress six years after Pearl Harbor–this might be a news story.’”
Though Ellison's status as the first Muslim elected to Congress is widely known, fewer are aware that he was born into a Catholic family in Detroit and was brought up attending Catholic schools.
But he said he was never comfortable with that faith.
“I just felt it was ritual and dogma,” Ellison said. “Of course, that’s not the reality of Catholicism, but it’s the reality I lived. So I just kind of lost interest and stopped going to Mass unless I was required to.”
It wasn’t until he was a student at Wayne State University in Detroit when Ellison began, “looking for other things.”
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A comprehensive study will show the opposite.
When popes fly...
And of course without a single scripture to back you up...
It is totally absurd to think, and then teach people that one can become a Christian by baptism alone, without turning to and trusting in Jesus Christ...
Doctrines of devils...
Not according to your fellow Catholic Sun Day school teacher in post 3312...He says you can be baptized without repenting; turning to Jesus...And become a Catholic...
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
This verse says, absolutely not...If you don't believe, whether you are baptized or not baptized, you'll end up in hell...
It can't be done. And everybody knows it.
It's not *game playing*, JA. It's a legitimate question. If you claim that Paul is the author of Scripture, you need to provide authoritative Scriptural proof of that fact or it's you who have no credibility, not smvoice.
Doesn't look like anyone would have to be too tough to handle you...Nice haircut BTW...
You don't have to tremble because of me...God on the other hand is a different story...
So what?
Shall we start posting about what some Catholic priests have been up to and paint the entire Catholic denomination with that standard?
Ya, right...
They didn't say that they had to be baptized to be saved, even though they did get baptized as a profession of their faith.
Did she stamp a hole to China?
You wrote:
“So what?”
So what? It is an indication of the inherent problems of sola scriptura madness.
“Shall we start posting about what some Catholic priests have been up to and paint the entire Catholic denomination with that standard?”
Go ahead. Any Catholic priest who teaches something at variance with the Catholic faith doesn’t fix the problem that the Moody prof was actually acting on the principles of Protestantism. That’s the difference.
Outrageous
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
So you are saying John watered with water??? But we will be watered with the Holy Ghost???
Oh please...Baptize has never meant water and it never will...And water does not mean baptize...Never did...
Pick up ANY Greek translation and learn the truth...
BWHAHAHA!! MUST see it again..today..LOL! THANKS!
For by One Spirit are we all baptized into one body.." 1Cor. 12:13. It is the Spirit, in the dispensation of Grace, that baptizes us into Christ; not baptism by water. The Holy Spirit placesw us into Christ the very moment we trust in the finished work of Christ. "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ." Gal. 3:26,27. It is this baptism by the Holy Spirit that place us into the body of Christ and makes us saints. Not water. Why would water make us a saint? Are you saying you cannot be "in the faith" unless you have been baptized by water? That in this dispensation, where there is ONE BAPTISM, it is water baptism that places you "in the faith", makes you a saint, and sanctifies you in Christ?
Thanks...
Absolutely agree.
Great post.
From “Grace Points” — found here:
http://www.gracepoints.com/articles/gphebrews.php
There is another discussion about the authorship of Hebrews positing Paul as the author. I previously posted a link to a protestant author who used much the same arguments as used in Grace Points.
Perhaps you can prove from Scripture that the author of Grace Oiuibts is wrong. Or not.
It is immaterial to me, because I do not rely on Scripture alone. But it sure seems to bother some of you. If you all can’t even agree on something so simple, I can see no reason to pay attention to anything you say.
BTW, are yiou saying that Paul DID NOT write Hebrews? Is it because of the Pauline commandments, that you find burdebsine to follow? The ones in Hebrews 13?
First of all, you ask one of my favorite questions. Why?
I understand what you are saying about Peter and what the others believed regarding how soon Christ was going to return.
It’s is what I have believed also, and as you say, the sermon in Acts supports that.
I do not claim that Peter immediately knew everything or that he did not develop in His understanding of the message as time went on. I think we can agree that would be wrong.
It is very possible that Paul came along with his revelations and clarified or opened the others eyes to the message of grace.
But, I do not believe that the he was given a different gospel. Remember, Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would come and lead them to all truth and remind them of what He had taught them.
Paul may have been how the Holy Spirit came to the others to lead them where Jesus wanted them to go in forming the message. We know that many Jews did not accept the message and the Bible prophecies that as well as the fact that the message would be delivered to the Gentiles because of their rejection.
But, a different Gospel? I don’t agree with that. A refining of the message? That I could see.
Catholics are always amazed when converts come into the Church. They bring fresh eyes and a zeal and love for Jesus and the Church.
It is not that cradle Catholics do not love Jesus or the Church. It is more a taking things for granted kind of attitude. And so new Catholics can remind us of the wonders and riches of our faith.
It seems to me that you have not separated the physical with the spiritual in this instance. Of course it’s the Spirit who baptizes us into Christ. The physical baptism by water is only a physical expression of that just as taking the communion is a physical expression of a “remembrance” of Christ’s body and blood. The bread and the wine are not Christ’s physical body nor is the water the physical Holy Spirit or blood. It’s done physically as an expression of a Spiritual action. Both were mandated by Christ as a physical symbolism of what is spiritually taking place.
>>That in this dispensation, where there is ONE BAPTISM, it is water baptism that places you "in the faith", makes you a saint, and sanctifies you in Christ?<<
“ONE BABTISM” symbolized or expressed physically by water baptism.
Don’t confuse the water baptism as the real baptism. The real baptism takes place spiritually not physically. The water itself does nothing. It is only a physical symbolism of what has taken place spiritually.
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