Posted on 09/02/2011 9:07:47 AM PDT by marshmallow
Minneapolis, Minnesota (CNN) –Prior to 2006, few people even knew that then-Minnesota state legislator Keith Ellison was a Muslim. Because of his English name, he said, no one thought to ask.
But five years ago, when he ran for a seat in the United States House of Representatives - a race he would go on to win - word of his religious affiliation began to spread.
“When I started running for Congress it actually took me by surprise that so many people were fascinated with me being the first Muslim in Congress,” said Ellison, a Democrat now serving his third term in the House.
“But someone said to me, ‘Look Keith, think of a person of Japanese origin running for Congress six years after Pearl Harbor–this might be a news story.’”
Though Ellison's status as the first Muslim elected to Congress is widely known, fewer are aware that he was born into a Catholic family in Detroit and was brought up attending Catholic schools.
But he said he was never comfortable with that faith.
“I just felt it was ritual and dogma,” Ellison said. “Of course, that’s not the reality of Catholicism, but it’s the reality I lived. So I just kind of lost interest and stopped going to Mass unless I was required to.”
It wasn’t until he was a student at Wayne State University in Detroit when Ellison began, “looking for other things.”
(Excerpt) Read more at religion.blogs.cnn.com ...
Nobody ever said that He was or that was the case.
What Scripture does contain is enough information to bring us to a point of salvation. It contains all that we NEED to know to come to faith in Him and grow in Him.
There is certainly plenty of room for Him to speak to each of us individually using that medium, and additionally through prayer and others.
Not really, because the Douay-Rheims has been replaced by newer and better translations. Not because the Word of God has changed, but because the English languages evolves.
In the Catholic Church "dispensation" does not mean what you purport it to mean. In the canon law of the Catholic Church, a dispensation is the suspension by competent authority of general rules of law in particular case.
Sorry, Hoss, the term "co-mediatrix" does not appear in the Catechism.
And how many times do I need to remind you that you ADMITTED you never did do the work of "gleaning" anything from the documents? You even said it would take someone a lifetime to do so. A list of entities is no more proof of separate denominations, than the local phone book "CHURCHES" section does. There are over 50 Catholic churches in Charlotte alone.
Thus I provided the source and a means for you to search through FOIA. Use it or cease and desist this harassment which is bordering on an actionable tort.
Bordering on "tort"???? LOLOLOL! May I remind you, you are harassing me by insisting you have proven something that you have certainly not proven. You have also used pejoratives demeaning my dignity, which I have refrained from doing out of respect for the others on this forum. Maybe I'll sue you. I will NOT do your work for you. You present a book as evidence to a court that you have not bothered to study to prove a point and demand the judge look through it for you, guess what you might be told???
You stated "You did not prove your assertion and only "guessed". Please provide empirical evidence to substantiate said claim. To make such an assertion without evidence is not only inadmissible but is construed as defamation of character.Be advised you are publicly Noticed to refrain from such statements against me in this matter as you are merely attributing Intent without the requisite proof. I have a legal right to defend myself from libelous assertions and it appears you may have committed such a Tort.
OOOOHHH!!! I'M SHAKING IN MY BOOTS! Hey, Perry Mason, you cannot serve "public" notice on an ANONYMOUS forum and I HIGHLY doubt Free Republic will give my name to you. Go ahead, ask the Moderator, I'll ping him for you.
And may I remind you ONE MORE TIME, you admitted to another poster back in June, 2010, that you did not have any solid proof for your claim that the IRS documents prove there are 30,000 separate Protestant denominations. Do I need to re-post what that dialog was? Oh, heck, since I pinged the Mod, I'll let him see it.
BRONX2 wrote:
Why then are there that many volumes of Pub 78 ? Years ago it was 9 volumes but I wager it is more now. Most Catholic institutions tend to use the same EIN number but some have applied for their individual number. Each of these volumes is quite thick and the print is small. There are some secular non profit entities listed but while perusing pages years ago I noticed that the protestant churches are quite evident on randomly selected pages I made from several volumes. To obtain a number the entity must furnish and update their information some of which informs the reader of religious affiliation. I did not look at the documentation so I can not categorically state that there was not some affiliation between each entry. That would take a lifetime of research.
From BRONX2 on 6/15/10
From: Markomalley
To: bronx2
All I can say is be consistent then and identify each diocese in the world as its own denomination (both RC, EC, EO, and OO). There would, by the measure used by this group that developed the 30,000 (or 39,000 now) denominations, be somewhere over 8,000 denominations of Catholics and Orthodox. You and I both know that isn’t right. One other thing to consider regarding pub 78. My Knights of Columbus council has a charitable corporation that is registered in Pub 78. There are pages upon pages of Knights of Columbus organizations registered in that pub. How many Knights of Columbus fraternal benefit organizations are there? To my knowledge, just one. Even though each council is incorporated on its own, they are part of one large organization. I think you would see the same thing with any number of outfits that have independent chapters. You want to use “30,000” — go ahead. But just think: they have every right in the world to come back with “3,000” Roman Catholic denominations...using the same measure. And don’t ever complain if one of them does so, because they’ll be consistent with the measure you used.
18 posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2010 1:33:56 PM by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus) It would be well for you to provide substantive proof for future assertions of a similar nature you make against my character. The Burden of proof lies with you. Law school would have provided you with this knowledge.
This is fascinating. I thought I was sort of well read but this is a new realm. (not Thomas More of course, this Anne Askew woman is new to me).
2) People were NEVER tortured to death and in fact torture was extremely rare. Off the top of my head, I know of no cases at all of women being tortured.
I thought of the Anne Askew incident at the end of Henry VIII's reign that was done by those who had kept their Traditionalist, meaning Catholic, loyalties. I apologize for not keeping my comments centered on only the Spanish Inquisition.
Hoss - not you too? You bought the lies of the protesters?
Sorry Natual Law
I meant this for Hoss
My post 2578. I forgot to tell you, IMHO, that Hebrews through Revelation is Daniel’s 70th week. After we are raptured, those who understand will go WHERE in the Bible for their instructions? The WHOLE Bible is for their understanding, but, for instance, going to 1 Thess. 5:9, or Rom. 5:9, will not help them. They ARE going to go through the Wrath to Come. And must endure to the end to be saved. Not so in this present dispensation. Their survival guide will be Hebrews through Revelation.
Actually the quote is this.....969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation . . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."512
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time.
Interesting, Scripture says there's only ONE mediator, not two.
It looks like they don't even consider her *co-* but rather mediatrix. No need for Jesus then, is there?
The analysis done by the statistician, an academic who was being paid for the work was published as an internal document. That stands as my proof. Seek this document under FOIA.
You have no proof other than your self serving testimony which is conjecture.Please provide evidence to the contrary or remain silent on this issue. The 30000+ will be used .
OUCH.....
Okay. Apology accepted.
Are you trying to be deceitful or just being sloppy? Because anyone sincerely interested in discussing the truth would have presented the ENTIRE position of the Church. The Catechism references Lumen gentium 62, with respect to the term mediatrix, which says:
"Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked by the Church under the titles of Advocate, Auxiliatrix, Adjutrix, and Mediatrix. This, however, is to be so understood that it neither takes away from nor adds anything to the dignity and efficaciousness of Christ the one Mediator."
"For no creature could ever be counted as equal with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer. Just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by the ministers and by the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is really communicated in different ways to His creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source.
The Church does not hesitate to profess this subordinate role of Mary. It knows it through unfailing experience of it and commends it to the hearts of the faithful, so that encouraged by this maternal help they may the more intimately adhere to the Mediator and Redeemer.
It’s the *asterisk* dictionary of RCC word meanings striking again. Ask a question, get an asterisk answer. Quote a Catechism, get an asterisk response. Nothing is ever just as it simply means.
Good for you that you understand everything. Must be nice.
I’m willing to say that I am a mere human and am not perfect nor infallible.
And sorry -- that still proves that SCRIPTURE and TRADITION do conflict.
But thanks for the post -- I stand corrected on the lack of "co-" for Mediatrix.
Hoss
I don’t understand everything. But I DO understand when I’m being deceived.
Not everyone is as intellectually lazy as the anti-Catholic troglodytes who spend their days beating their chests on these threads. For them it is easier to just assume the worst and run with it. To paraphrase Chesterton; Catholicism has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found hard and not tried.
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