Posted on 08/08/2011 7:38:05 AM PDT by Colofornian
When Joseph Smith died in June of 1844, the Mormon Church faced a succession crisis. Mormon historian Richard S. Van Wagoner explained,
Despite frequent kidnaping and assassination attempts, Joseph Smith established no firm policies regarding presidential succession in the event of his death. The resulting confusion threw the prophetic transition into turmoil. He simply had not expected to die at thirty-eight. Never given to full disclosure to any man or woman, the prophets public and private statements between 1834-44 suggested at least eight different methods for succession, each pointing to different successors with some claims to validity. (The Making of a Mormon Myth: The 1844 Transfiguration of Brigham Young, Dialog, Vol. 28, No. 4, Winter 1995, 4, pdf)
Many people vied for the office of President of the Church left vacant at Smiths death. The two main contenders, however, were Sidney Rigdon (First Counselor in the First Presidency) and Brigham Young (President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles). Church members were divided and argued over the identity of Smiths successor. A special meeting was called in Nauvoo for August 8, 1844 to decide who would lead the floundering church. Sidney Rigdon spoke and made a case for his ascension to the office of President. Then Brigham Young spoke in behalf of The Twelve. It was then that the miracle occurred.
If Joseph had risen from the dead and again spoken in their hearing, the effect could not have been more startling than it was to many present at that meeting, it was the voice of Joseph himself; and not only was it the voice of Joseph which was heard, but it seemed in the eyes of the people as if it were the very person of Joseph which stood before them. A more wonderful and miraculous event than was wrought that day in the presence of that congregation, we never heard of. The Lord gave His people a testimony that left no room for doubt as to who was the man chosen to lead them. They both saw and heard with their natural eyes and ears, and the words which were uttered came, accompanied by the convincing power of God, to their hearts, and they were filled with the Spirit and with great joy. There had been gloom, and in some hearts, probably, doubt and uncertainty, but now it was plain to all that here was the man upon whom the Lord had bestowed the necessary authority to act in their midst in Josephs stead. On that occasion Brigham Young seemed to be transformed, and a change such as that we read of in the scriptures as happening to the Prophet Elisha, when Elijah was translated in his presence, seemed to have taken place with him. The mantle of the Prophet Joseph had been left for Brigham. The people said one to another: The spirit of Joseph rests on Brigham: they knew that he was the man chosen to lead them and they honored him accordingly. (George Q. Cannon, circa 1864, quoted in Van Wagoner, 14-15)
Except that they didnt.
As Mr. Van Wagoner points out, on August 8, 1844 the Latter-day Saints chose a group of men, not one man, to lead the church when they voted in favor of the Quorum of the Twelve apostles as their leading authority. Brigham Young was not sustained as the President of the Church until December 1847, and this was not without opposition and argument. The historical facts actually suggest that Brigham Young was not chosen to lead the church that day, for one week later, on August 15, the Twelve published an epistle that said,
You are now without a prophet present with you in the flesh to guide you. Let no man presume for a moment that [Joseph Smiths] place will be filled by another; for, remember he stands in his own place, and always will. (Times and Seasons 5 (15 Aug. 1844): 618, quoted in Van Wagoner, 14)
Furthermore, history also suggests that there was no transfiguration on August 8 to guide the people toward Gods will in the matter. According to Mr. Van Wagoner, no known contemporary record supports a supernatural occurrence at either the morning or afternoon August 8 meetings, but there are plenty of accounts from later years that mention Brigham Youngs transfiguration.
The earliest detailed accounts of a purported transfiguration did not begin to surface until long after the Saints were settled in the Great Basin. The fact that no account was included in Joseph Smiths History, completed in August 1856, or in The Autobiography of Parley P. Pratt, completed before his 1857 death, suggests that the myth was not fully developed by this period. The first public reference to a transfiguration may have been a 19 July 1857 statement by Albert Carrington before a huge gathering of Saints that he could not tell [Brigham Young] from Joseph Smith when Young was speaking in the stand in Nauvoo during the 8 August 1844 convocation
Retrospective retellings of a transfiguration, in a variety of forms, can be found in dozens of sources, yet no two seem to agree on precise details. (16-17)
Some who later claimed to have witnessed the transfiguration were not actually in Nauvoo on August 8, 1844. John D. Lee said he saw and heard a strong resemblance in Brigham Young to Joseph Smith at that time, but he did not arrive in Nauvoo until August 20. In 1869 Orson Hyde, an apostle of the Mormon Church, described the famous August 8 meeting and his participation in it. He said,
We went among the congregation he [Brigham] spoke, and his words went through me like electricity This is my testimony; it was not only the voice of Joseph, but there were the features, the gestures and even the stature of Joseph before us in the person of Brigham. (Journal of Discourse 13:181)
Mr. Hydes testimony is astonishing because he was not in Nauvoo on August 8, but rather arrived in the city five days later.
One contemporary account of the transfiguration of Brigham Young was found in the diary of Mormon George Laub, thought to have been written in 1846. Mr. Van Wagoner explains, This small tan-colored leather diary, which has misled many scholars, has now been determined to be a copy of the original by Laub himself, with additions. The original diary has also been discovered, and it contains no reference to Brigham Youngs transfiguration.
Mr. Van Wagoner sums up,
Apostles Brigham Young, Heber C. Kimball, Willard Richards, and Wilford Woodruff, all of whom made 8 August 1844 entries in their diaries, make no reference to an epiphany. Such an event, had it truly transpired, would have stood at the apogee of world history, a physical metamorphosis unsurpassed except for the transfiguration and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Yet neither the Times and Seasons nor the Nauvoo Neighbor, local newspapers owned by the church, mention such a wonder. Neither do the 1844 and 1845 accounts of Jedediah Grant and Orson Hyde, specifically written to refute Sidney Rigdons robust challenge to the Quorum of Twelves succession claims. (22)
The transfiguration of Brigham Young is but another Mormon myth used to undergird the validity of a church that has no solid foundation. Mormons, consider the words of Seventy B.H. Roberts:
since these things are myth and our Church has permitted them to be perpetuated
might not the other fundamentals to the actual story of the Church, the things in which it had its origin, might they not all be lies and nothing but lies. (quoted in Van Wagoner, 24)
Oooopps...
Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."
Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.
Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.
2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.
Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.
But there IS hope!!!
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...
Good Idea!!
Saudi Arabia manages to BAN THE BIBLE from IT's land, and no one flies into a snit over it!!
” nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. “
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exactly.
and i have no sympathy or compassion, for gays who:
“ parade their sin like Sodom;”.
but WE are not supposed to hate sinners.
God will judge them, and punish them, not us.
(...maybe you don’t, but i have my own sins and temptations to worry about.)
in fact, on your FR homepage, you have one of the BEST writings, about hope and reconciliation of sinners:
2 Corinthians 5:17-20
17. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!
18. All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:
19. that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
20. We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us.
We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.
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...i also much prefer the writings of Peter, over Paul.
you listed one of my favorites!
(many people don’t understand, in addition to false prophets like Mohammad and Joseph Smith, it covers false teachers (particularly one who hated Jews, and had no respect for women, by his OWN words).
But sadly, many people have their ear “tickled” by them, about many things, and are led astray.
2 Peter 2
1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
...but again, this is all a tangent, from the great information here by Colofornian and others, about the Mormon church.
(Colofornian has done great work, in educating people!)
i only mentioned Islam, for a legitimate comparison, showing it is a false church, misleading people.
(and that many “muslims” don’t believe it, but are too afraid to officially leave. THEM i have compassion for!)
i only mentioned gays, for a legitimate comparison,
that WE are taught not to hate,
but to hope that all sinners will repent, and pray for forgiveness, and follow our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
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you also make a great point about Bibles being banned in Saudi Arabia. but even without that, Islam should be banned as seditious, and the Quran as hate speech.
but again, the focus here, should be on Colofornian’s great effort to show the Mormon leaders are liars and false prophets, and to help lead good-hearted Mormons to the truth.
It appears that yelling FIRE! is allowed in some theaters in the USA.
http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon430.htm
Joseph Smith’s Arrest Record Surfaces In New York excerpt:
http://www.padfield.com/2005/mormon-history.html
http://padfieldconsulting.com/mormonism/mormon-comparisons.html
Prisoner brought before the Court March 20, 1826. Prisoner examined: says that he came from the town of Palmyra ... that he had a certain stone which he occasionally looked at to determine where hidden treasures in the bowels of the earth were; that he professed to tell in this manner where gold mines were a distance under ground ... he pretended to tell by looking at this stone where coined money was buried in Pennsylvania, and while at Palmyra he frequently ascertained in that way where lost property was of various kinds...” (Court records of New York).
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