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Rev. 18:3: Evolution...Primordial Heresy as Royal Science of Man Becoming God
Renew America ^ | July 18, 2011 | Linda Kimball

Posted on 07/19/2011 5:07:06 AM PDT by spirited irish

From the days of Adam right down to our own time, the devilish belief that man is God has danced across history, seducing millions in its path. Early Church Father John of Damascus identifies barbarism as the primordial heresy, the idea that man is god:

"Barbarism is that which prevailed from the days of Adam down through ten generations to the time of Noah. It is called barbarism because of the fact that in those times men had no ruling authority or mutual accord, but every man was independent and a law unto himself after the dictates of his own will." (John of Damascus, "The Fount of Knowledge," cited in Political Apocalypse, Ellis Sandoz, p. 131)

After studying civilizations across the whole span of history, noted historian Arnold Toynbee concluded that the paramount religion of mankind is self-worship...of man as god. Tal Brooke concurs, noting that historically there has always been an exoteric polytheism-pantheism for the general masses and a high level esoteric "advaitic" monism for the higher initiate. For initiates then:

".... the Great Lie (is) the foundation stone of Hinduism, Buddhism, Sufism, Jainism, Sikhism, Taoism, the Kabala, the Greek Hermetic, Eleusinian and Gnostic beliefs, Neo-Platonism, all the occult creeds from Theosophy and the Masonic orders to the Rosicrucian's (and) the New Age movement. The Great Lie is...the belief that man is God, that his true identity is the immortal self...that as God, he will never die (and) Sin and depravity are...illusions since this inner divinity is at man's core." (The Great Lie, Tal Brooke, SCP Journal, Vol. 29:2-29:3, 2005)

The Book of Revelation pinpoints Babylon as the post-flood center both of an organized religion based on the primordial heresy and as the first utopian or heaven on earth project. Babylon embraced the Great Lie. Its inhabitants claimed the title, "I AM." They were earmarked by their "advaitic monism," science of magic-transformism, exalted priesthood, gnosis, secret initiations, sorcery, astrology, channeling, psychic-powers, familiar spirits, and hedonism. But the root source of this evil religion and its occult power was the Great Dragon himself....Lucifer.

God abhors these practices and sternly reminds His people through the prophet Isaiah (45:18-19) not to be seduced by Babylon's deadly delusion:

"I AM the Lord, and there is none other. I have not spoken in secret, neither in a place of darkness." "I said not to the seed of Jacob..." seek me in the monistic 'one thing'....chaos, the formless void, Kant's deified reason,' Hegel's Geist, Marx's dialectical matter, Natural Selection, the Force, the Overmind, Absolute Spirit, the Christ consciousness or the "thought-universe" of quantum mechanics.

Primordial Heresy as Modern Ideology

"Exalting mankind to the status of deity...dates from the farthest reaches of antiquity, but its development into an ideology embracing the masses is a characteristic of modernity." (Herbert Schlossberg, cited in The Seduction of Christianity, Dave Hunt and T.A. McMahon)

Toynbee pinpointed the bloody French Revolution as the first orchestrated reappearance of the primordial heresy, and in tacit agreement with the findings of early Conservative intellectuals, of the entire "nightmare of destruction in which America and other nations participated" from WWI through WWII as further manifestations. (The Conservative Intellectual Movement in America, George H. Nash, p. 31)

Primordial heresy as modernist ideology takes many forms:

" rationalism, positivism, naturalism, materialism, evolutionism, social Darwinism, Natural Selection, empiricism, Hegelianism, Marxism, scientific socialism, scientism, Secular Humanism, Tran humanism, Freudianism, existentialism, progressivism, liberalism, utopianism, revolutionary activism, fascism, communism, national socialism, determinism, reductionism, nihilism, deconstructionism, moral relativism, antitheism, behaviorism and underlying them all, atheism."

In his book "Utopia: The Perennial Heresy," Catholic philosopher and historian Thomas Molnar (1910-2010) notes that the two recurring themes of modern ideologies are monism and evolutionary conceptions. At the root of these two themes there is:

" defiance of God, pride unlimited, a yearning for enormous power and the assumption of divine attributes with a view to manipulating and shaping mankind's fate." (p. 227)

In order for god-men to create a new world and a new man:

"the order of being must be obliterated (and reinterpreted) as essentially under man's control." Taking control "requires the decapitation of being — the murder of God." (Eric Voegelin, "Science, Politics and Gnosticism," p. xv)

Fundamentally, Darwinism is materialist monism and as the pillar of natural science is the devilish idea by which naturalist god-men have "decapitated God" and seized control of the order of being.

In short, Darwinism is powerful magic wielded by a cult religion's sorcerers:

"(Darwinism is) nothing but a kind of cult, a cult religion....It has no scientific validity whatsoever. Darwin's so-called theory of evolution is based on absurdly irrational propositions, which did not come from scientific observations, but were artificially introduced from the outside, for political-ideological reasons." (Jonathan Tennenbaum, "Towards 'A New Science of Life,' Executive Intelligence Review, Vol. 28, No. 34, Sept. 7, 2001)

Indeed, Daniel Dennett tacitly agrees, for he describes Darwinism as a 'universal acid.' In other words, Darwinism is the "acid bath" in which God the Father and His entire order of being are in process of dissolution, a diabolical conjuration requiring the conceptual dismantling of:

" human individuality through the dissolution of individual conscience and consciousness, and then to replace these with the collectivity (monism) and coalesced consciousness (i.e., the Force, Christ Consciousness)." (Molnar, 227, emphasis added)

"...they seek my soul to destroy it..." Psalm 63:9

In this light, when Daniel Dennett, the Wizard of Reductionism claims that there really is no you, that soul, spirit and free will are illusions caused by chemical interactions in the brain and Tom Wolfe, Sorcerer of Naturalism waves his magic wand and intones, "Sorry, but your soul just died," they speak as sorcerers (Acts 13:6-10) conjuring away man's "individual conscience and consciousness" through words that destroy. (The Spiritual Brain: A Neuroscientist's Case for the Existence of the Soul, Beauregard and O'Leary, p. 4)

Return of the Primordial Heresy: A Brief Timeline

"The leading principle of Utopian religion is the repudiation of the doctrine of Original Sin." (H.G. Wells, A Modern Utopia, 1905)

Repudiating Original Sin necessitates the obliteration of the transcendent God and His order of being, a project already underway by the time of Descartes. In her book "Total Truth," Nancy Pearcy, a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute, writes that one of the great ironies of history is that the enduring impact of Descartes philosophy has been precisely the opposite of what he had intended. Descartes had intended the defense of the human soul over and against the dehumanizing mechanistic and materialistic conception of the universe. Instead, the soul — and its citadel mind — was reduced to a shadowy substance totally irrelevant to the material realm known by natural science. The immortal soul became a kind of ghost only tenuously connected to the physical body. The novelist Walker Percy speaks of the:

"dread chasm that has rent the soul of Western man ever since the famous philosopher Descartes ripped body loose from mind and turned the very soul into a ghost that haunts its own house." ("Total Truth," Nancy Pearcey, p. 103)

After the success of Newtonian physics natural science began to be viewed as the way of progress and enlightenment and nature described as a cosmic machine, governed by deterministic energies working through natural laws as strictly as the gears of a clock. Though soul and spirit are crucial for reason, conscience, morality, belief, faith, prayer, theorizing, science, and religion, there was no room for them in the mindless cosmic machine.

The mechanistic conception gave rise to rationalism, determinism, positivism and scientific materialism (atheism), which grant naturalistic science a monopoly on so-called "real" knowledge while trivializing everything else to personal belief and social constructs.

"Evil thoughts...generated evil deeds." (George H. Nash, The Conservative Intellectual Movement, p.48)

"Observing the modern intellectual crap, it is time that someone knocked at the door of...Immanuel Kant and told him the fatidic words from that famous Brazilian comic samba — Here, take back your child." (The Father of the Crap, Olavo de Carvalho, Mar. 5, 1998, www.olavodecarvalho.org/ )

The German philosopher Immanuel Kant was a pivotal figure in the obliteration of man's immortal soul. Kant desired to cut loose from God, and being morally defective he eagerly embraced the Enlightenment's mechanistic image of man and the universe. Thus he took it upon himself to recast mind and freedom as "autonomous self" and the material realm as the deterministic Newtonian world machine. In praise of the cosmic machine he wrote:

"(it is) necessary that everything which takes place should be infallibly determined in accordance with the laws of nature." (Total Truth, p. 104)

Though Kant saw the need for reason and morality, which presupposes the soul (mind and free will), he nevertheless sought autonomy from God the Father, thus negating the existence of his own soul....and reason. Undeterred, Kant went on to define self-autonomy as being subject only to laws imposed on himself by himself. In short, Kant would be sovereign and influenced by nothing but his own deified reason. This is a variant of idealist monism that teaches that reality and creative powers exist within man's mind. As one theologian commented:

"The creation of universal (moral) law was traditionally the function of God alone, and this function is now arrogated to the individual human rational will." Thus it can be said that "Kant has made reason into God." (ibid, p. 105)

It is crucial to realize Kant's dichotomy is outright contradictory. For if mindless nature really is the deterministic machine of Newtonian physics, then mind (i.e., reason), morality, belief, and science are not possible in that man is nothing but a puppet dancing to the mindless tunes of mindless nature. Even Kant admitted that this was a paradox that he was unable to resolve. The trick, he said, is to enter into a charade. We will be swindlers who on one hand will publicly pretend to be fully caused and determined by nature while on the other we will quietly participate in a spiritual world where we conceive of ourselves as free moral agents.

According to Kant's swindle the material realm is the realm of publicly verifiable scientific facts which in our own time are for example, Darwinism, atheism, man as evolved ape, determinism, and moral relativism while the spiritual is the politically-incorrect realm of belief, faith, religion, special creation, God the Father and moral absolutes. Kant's swindle is behind the Orwellian-speak or politically-correct cognitive dissonance that has become pandemic in our own day through the efforts of contemporary Kantians: social scientists, evolutionary biologists, Hollywood, media, higher education, jurists, and sorcerers such as Sam Harris, Daniel Dennett, and Richard Dawkins.

Following Kant's lead, a legion of neo-pagan ideologues openly advocated total integration into mindless nature. What these malcontents sought was salvation from God the Father, Original Sin, Universal Moral Law, sexual ethics, and their own immortal souls by immersing themselves into the "forces and rhythms of nature." Lester Crocker summarizes the Enlightenment premise:

"There existed in the eighteenth century a widespread desire to equate the moral with the physical world...." What was desired above all was, "total integration of man in nature, with refusal of any transcendence, even though it was admitted that his more complex physical organization gave him certain special abilities and ways of thinking. The important thing, as La Mettrie, d'Holbach, and others made clear, is that he is submitted to the same laws; everything is response to need — mechanically, some added, like a tree or a machine. Man merely carries out natural forces — without any freedom whatsoever — in all he does, whether he loves or hates, helps or hurts, gives life or takes it." (Monsters from the Id, E. Michael Jones, p. 5, 7)

In his influential "History of Jacobinism," Abbe Barruel commented:

"With Voltaire, man is a pure machine; Frederick the Great maintains..."I know that I am an animal organized, and that thinks; hence, I conclude that matter can think, as well as that it has the property of being electric." La Mettries' "man-machine, or his man-plant, only caused the Sect to blush from the open manner in which he had said what many of them wished to insinuate." (ibid, p. 6, 7)

The Enlightenment was in effect a diabolical effort to murder God the Father and obliterate His order of being, allowing for reality to be replaced with escapist fantasy: the cosmic machine and soulless machine-man, fully caused and determined by unseen forces of nature, with Newtonian physics as its guide.

Though Kant and others had speculated on a naturalistic origin of the universe, the picture was not complete until Darwinian materialism replaced God the Father and creation ex nihilo with a counterfeit: spontaneous generation of mindless matter from nothing.

The roots of evolution stretch back to the ancient Upanishads of India and to ancient Greece, and in its modern version evolution describes the progress (transmigration) of a divine spark or energy as it inhabits in succession the bodies of different beings over the course of millions and billions of years. In the words of Emergent Church leader Rob Bell:

"There is an energy in the world, a spark, an electricity that everything is plugged into. The Greeks called it zoe, the mystics call it 'Spirit,' and Obi-Wan called it 'the Force'.....This energy, spark, and electricity that pulses through all of creation sustains it, fuels it, and keeps it growing. Growing, evolving, reproducing..." (Love Wins, pp. 144-145)

For initiates and adepts however, evolution magically transforms man into god:

"the evolution of man into superman — was always the purpose of the ancient Mysteries, and the real purpose of modern Masonry is not the social and charitable purposes to which so much attention is paid, but the expediting of the spiritual evolution of those who aspire to perfect their own nature and transform it into a more god-like quality. And this is a definite science, a royal art, which it is possible for each of us to put into practice..." (The Meaning of Masonry, W.L. Wilmhurst, p. 47)

Charles Darwin received the idea of evolution from his grandfather Dr. Erasmus Darwin who was a neo-pagan monist known to attend séances. As master of the famous Masonic Canongate lodge in Edinburgh he had close ties with both the Jacobin Masons, the organizers of the bloody revolution in France, and with the infamous Illuminati, whose diabolical cause was overthrow of the Church and destruction of Christendom. Thus Erasmus Darwin was an important name in European Masonic anti-religious organizations engaged in revolutionary activism. Erasmus Darwin mentored his grandson Charles:

"Dr. Erasmus Darwin (1731-1802) was the first man in England to suggest those ideas which were later to be embodied in the Darwinian theory by his grandson, Charles Darwin (1809-1882) who wrote in 1859 Origin of Species." (Scarlet and the Beast, Vol. II, John Daniel, p. 34)

Pope Leo XIII issued a famous bull in 1884 entitled Humanum Genus in which he discussed the evil undertakings of the Free Masons and the Illuminati:

"...the partisans of evil seems to be combining together, and to be struggling with united vehemence, led on or assisted by that strongly organized and widespread association called the Freemasons. No longer making any secret of their purposes, they are now boldly rising up against God Himself." They intend nothing less than "the utter overthrow of that whole religious and political order of the world which the Christian teaching has produced, and the substitution of a new state of things in accordance with their ideas (that) shall be drawn from mere naturalism." (Humanum Genus, Encyclical on Freemasonry)

Neo-Pagan God-men Remake Mankind as Apes

"Instead of Adam, our ancestry is traced to the most grotesque of creatures; thought is phosphorous; the soul complex nerves, and our moral sense a secretion of sugar." (Disraeli, quoted by John Passmore "A Hundred Years of Philosophy," p. 36)

With the triumph of natural science and Darwinism in the nineteenth century, the murder of God and the obliteration of His order was cast in the cement of "enlightened" pseudo-science. Westerners would be cut off from God the Father and their own souls, thereby disrupting:

"the bio-psycho-spiritual unity of human consciousness...." (Authenticating the Activities of Jesus, Bruce Chilton and Craig A. Evans, 1999)

The modern secular "scientistic" West has almost succeeded in obliterating the souls of its' citizens and now seeks obliteration of the two sexes:

"Little Johnny went to school; There to learn a brand new rule; No longer could the boys be boys Or have their special trucks and toys; Only six, so young and tender, It's time for him to unlearn gender." (Here At School the Slant is Gay, cited in Our Gay Pride President, David A. Noebel, http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=7292 )

Primordial Heresy as Natural Religion of Science

The Christian Truth which had been undermined and displaced by primordial heresy developed as ideology and natural religion was no mere philosophical truth but the Truth of Life and salvation. Once there began to:

"gain ground, among the multitudes who have been nourished by that Truth, the conviction that it is no longer credible, the result will be...a spiritual catastrophe of enormous dimensions." (Nihilism: The Root of the Revolution of the Modern Age, Eugene Rose, pp. 44-45)

The climate of naturalist scientism established by eighteenth-century rationalists was extended by nineteenth-century positivists and evangelists of the idea of collective progress (monism), giving birth to the first natural religion of science: scientific socialism and/or Marxist Communism.

Fyodor Dostoevsky had a bitter foretaste of the demonically malignant effects of scientific socialism, "a spiritual catastrophe of enormous dimensions." This evil religion, said Dostoevsky:

"....is that terrible scourge of mankind, a scourge worse than plague, famine and war, an evil that didn't exist until this century... one that has its own priests and slaves; a tyrant that is worshipped with unprecedented awe and adulation before which science itself fawns and cringes." (The Restitution of Man: C.S. Lewis and the Case Against Scientism, Michael D. Aeschliman, p. 37)

Toward the close of the nineteenth century thinkers like Nietzsche foresaw the spiritual catastrophe that would eventuate in the genocidal "nightmare of destruction in which America and other nations participated" from WWI through WWII.

Rev. 18:3 The West....drunk on the Primordial Heresy of Babylon

Today the Christian West is dead, leaving it with no moral defense against either jihadist fanatics and the imposition of Sharia on one hand or the approach of the satanic New Age on the other.

The contemporary West is drunk on the primordial heresy of Babylon. As progressive Christian Liberalism, it is the carrier of the devilish occult spiritual virus into the embattled Body of the Church where it acts to divide Christians against themselves. Peter Jones, author of "Spirit Wars: Pagan Revival in Christian America" connects progressive Christian Liberalism to ancient devilish Gnosticism, saying they are kindred-spirits.

As the natural religion of America's bipartisan (left-right) Ruling Class, it leads them to pray:

"to themselves as saviors of the planet and as shapers of mankind in their own image." (The Ruling Class, Angelo M. Codevilla, p. xix)

The Primordial Heresy is at the root of the 'scientific' religion of New Age Transnational Progressives, the Masters of the Universe, who with their Transcended Spirit Masters, aspire to complete control of the world and every man, woman, and child. Lee Penn notes that evolution is absolutely central to New Age theology, a syncretistic, monistic stew of Liberal Christianity, Theosophy, Spiritism, the Ancient Mysteries, Buddhism, Wicca, Goddess worship, and adulation of Lucifer. In the newest version of that "terrible scourge of mankind, a scourge worse than plague, famine and war," New Age god-men envision a spiritualized version of Marxist Communism that includes:

1. Praise for Lucifer

2. Progressive adepts as gods

3. Advocacy for global depopulation

4.Utter contempt for authentic Roman Catholics, Protestant Christians, and faithful Jews

5. Forecasting a pending (and for them, desirable) "selection" of mankind, in which the progressives enter the New Age and the reactionaries face extinction. For the New Age Apostles of "progressive" Social Darwinism, these casualties are a necessary price to pay for human evolution." (False Dawn: The United Religions Initiative, Globalism, and the Quest for a One-World Religion, Lee Penn, pp. 5,7, 23-26)

The West's suicide looms in tandem with a rising spiritual catastrophe as the demonic in modern ideological movements penetrates ever deeper into the souls of Westerners, materializing and disordering them. On a daily basis, evolutionist ideologues and other secular naturalists in control of media, institutions of learning, Hollywood, law, and politics reinforce the demonic closing of souls to God the Father. Thus every day witnesses the spread of barbarism as more and more Westerners become "independent and a law" unto themselves.

"One Ring to rule them all...One Ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them." J.R.R. Tolkien

Though all of the ideologies have gone into the casting of the One Ring, none are so mesmerizing nor powerfully attractive as evolution, the Primordial Heresy as the royal science of becoming God.

copyright 2011 Linda Kimball

Additional Source:

The Ascendancy of the Scientific Dictatorship: Illuminating the Occult Origin of Darwinism, Phillip D. Collins, Feb. 24, 2005

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To: allmendream
None of the good Mother Theresa did was dependent upon her ascribing supernatural causation to physical phenomena.

On the contrary. Mother Theresa believed in God, and thus ascribed the very existence of matter and energy to a spiritual cause. Without her faith in God, she would very likely not have done the things she did.

She didn't say that people were hungry because the devil lived in their bellies - she fed people real physical food to alleviate their real physical hunger.

Indeed, because she believed the God who created her had told her to.

That is a big no no to those who would rather rely upon a supernatural explanation.

Perhaps I misunderstood your original point, then. My impression of what you were saying is that any belief in the supernatural (i.e. God) was silly.

Believers in Christ know that God created the laws under which the physical realm operates, i.e. when your body needs fuel, you experience hunger. But that is because God created things to work that way.

If your intent was not to mock belief in God in general, then I apologize for the misunderstanding.

41 posted on 07/21/2011 9:03:15 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: spirited irish

I will pray for you. You have lost your way and dwell in the darkness of ignorance of your own making.

Spirit guides guide you nowhere but to Satan.


42 posted on 07/21/2011 9:47:18 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: MEGoody

I believe in God.

God created me “from dust”, but not through using magical supernatural powers. DNA and cellular processes were both necessary and sufficient to create my body and my brain. That doesn’t mean that God did not create me. I was created by God “from dust” and “to dust” I will return.

Right now stars are forming through gravity and nuclear fusion. God created those stars, just as HE created all things - but he didn’t need magical supernatural forces to do so. Gravity and nuclear fusion are both necessary and sufficient to explain the creation of Stars. Yet God created those stars.

I believe and worship God, why would I mock him?

I mock the ‘god of the gaps’ who created a shoddy reality that supposedly needs constant supernatural intervention in order for things to ‘work’.

That is not God.


43 posted on 07/21/2011 9:52:14 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream
God created me “from dust”, but not through using magical supernatural powers.

This seems to be a contradiction. Are you saying God is of the "natural" and not "supernatural"? If God is supernatural, then of course, creation of the materials from which you are made and the processes by which you were physically formed came about through supernatural powers.

44 posted on 07/21/2011 11:44:20 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody

Do you think stars forming right now off in the universe are not created by God unless he added something supernatural?

I of course have a eternal soul that is spirit, as God is spirit.

But that is not and never should be the realm of science.

But my physical body and physical brain have no need of supernatural intervention for their formation and function. They are all understandable chemical reactions on a larger and more complex scale than what we see in the humble flatworm.

Do you think that stars need magic added in order to be created by God?

Do you really?


45 posted on 07/21/2011 11:55:06 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream
Do you think stars forming right now off in the universe are not created by God unless he added something supernatural?

God created the materials from which the stars are forming from nothing. He also created the natural processes which allow the stars to form. So although the stars are forming through natural processes, it would not have happened without supernatural power to begin with. Is there some part of that with which you do not agree?

I'm unclear why you are taking such a "mocking" tone in calling God's supernatural power "magic." Perhaps I am misconstruing and you would care to clarify.

46 posted on 07/21/2011 12:31:12 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody; allmendream
I'm unclear why you are taking such a "mocking" tone in calling God's supernatural power "magic." Perhaps I am misconstruing and you would care to clarify.

Ignore him, Goody. He's just trying to get a rise out of you.

He believes a magician enabled a virgin to get pregnant and give birth once. That violates his uniformitarianism, but of course, that was different. That was a "miracle." [/sarcasm]

47 posted on 07/21/2011 2:40:51 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: MEGoody; allmendream

Do you think stars forming right now off in the universe are not created by God unless he added something supernatural?

I of course have a eternal soul that is spirit, as God is spirit.

But that is not and never should be the realm of science.

But my physical body and physical brain have no need of supernatural intervention for their formation and function. They are all understandable chemical reactions on a larger and more complex scale than what we see in the humble flatworm.

Do you think that stars need magic added in order to be created by God?

Spirited: “God is ceaselessly at work in the things which he has created. It is not with respect to his substance that we are in him (for) we are certainly different from him, we are not in him in any other way except that he brings it (our existence) about; and this is his work, whereby he contains all things. It is through his ordering that in him we live and move and are. Hence...if he withdrew this work of his from things, we would neither live nor move nor be.” (Bede, Commentary on the Acts of the Apostles 17.28a)

Bede has defined the stark differences between the natural theology of Liberal Christianity and its’ dead-god of immanentism and the living, personal Triune God of Christian theism.

The former is a nature religion of science. It is monistic, scientistic, evolutionary, and elevates man as divine. Monism teaches Hermetic continuity between man and the immanentist god-force.

The latter is dualistic. It teaches the existence of two realms: the natural realm and the supernatural realm. There is NO continuity between these two realms. Dualism refers to man’s created condition as well. Here we speak of mind/body dualism. The body is matter but the soul, when open to the supernatural realm, transcends the material realm.

allmendream very clearly rejects the supernatural realm which places him in the only remaining category: monism.

He has previously stated that his mind is materialized. This makes sense within materialist monism which teaches that all that exists is matter. However, dogmatic materialism and Liberal Christianity are becoming “spiritized” by Eastern monism (i.e., Theosophy, Hinduism, Buddhism), which accounts for the “new spirituality” sweeping across post-Christian America. Thus AMD speaks of a non-supernatural hence immanentist dead-god of forces incapable of endowing him with an immortal soul.


48 posted on 07/21/2011 3:55:49 PM PDT by spirited irish
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To: spirited irish; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; Gordon Greene; Ethan Clive Osgoode; betty boop; ...

ping


49 posted on 07/21/2011 4:35:15 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: hosepipe
Jesus invented “evolution”... when he said “you MUST be born again”..

A metamorphosis from one state into another.. i.e. butterfly.. Evolving from human into something else.. i.e. spiritual creature..

On the contrary, the second birth is not evolution. It is a rebirth, a new creation. We are dead in our sins. When the new birth occurs it is not merely reforming the old nature.

50 posted on 07/21/2011 4:42:30 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: allmendream; spirited irish; betty boop; Alamo-Girl
Science is not atheism. Science is based upon presupposing natural causes for natural phenomena and has shown its worth.

You just contradicted yourself.

Science today is philosophically atheism. It denies the supernatural, as it appears you do as well.

51 posted on 07/21/2011 4:48:05 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: allmendream; spirited irish; betty boop; Alamo-Girl

Since you seem to consider all knowledge outside science as superstition and supernatural, and that science is the only reliable way of gaining knowledge of this world, just where do you get your knowledge of the supernatural from?

Where is the evidence that it exists that you even give it credence?


52 posted on 07/21/2011 4:56:09 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: allmendream; MEGoody
But my physical body and physical brain have no need of supernatural intervention for their formation and function.

What's keeping you alive?

53 posted on 07/21/2011 5:00:46 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: spirited irish

bttt


54 posted on 07/21/2011 6:00:38 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (Haw)
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To: metmom

Thanks.

Good points in the OPost


55 posted on 07/21/2011 7:57:16 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: metmom

[ On the contrary, the second birth is not evolution. It is a rebirth, a new creation. We are dead in our sins. When the new birth occurs it is not merely reforming the old nature. ]

Sooo...... being born again is NOT just a metaphor?..
You know... Like all of Jesus’ other metaphor’s...

i.e. Sheep Pen, Bride of Christ, Body of Christ, the Heaven’S, Lake of Fire, Samaritan, maybe even demon and Snake.. etc..

Learn me some new stuff... <(;-}````


56 posted on 07/21/2011 9:12:46 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: metmom
Amazing article! Chock full of very interesting tid bits to go further with. I'm impressed! Great find don't you think?
I have saved to work with this further...thanks for the ping...would have missed an excellent written piece had you not.
57 posted on 07/21/2011 10:00:50 PM PDT by caww
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To: allmendream; MEGoody; metmom

AMD: But my physical body and physical brain have no need of supernatural intervention for their formation and function.

Spirited: Metmom asked “What’s keeping you alive?” If not the “working” (Bede) of God the Father then an “unseen” force within AMD’s physicalized mind.”

Obviously “something” is “causing” the “physicalized mind” of the mechanical-man AMD to “think” it is “thinking.”


58 posted on 07/22/2011 2:41:59 AM PDT by spirited irish
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To: allmendream
The mind is most certainly reducible to physical phenomena. Without a physical brain there is no thought memory or will. The degradation of the physical brain diminishes the capacity and capability of the mind, but it doesn't diminish the soul.

It seems to me you have a problem here. If the mind is simply a function of physical processes, which upon death ceases to exist, then the concept of a soul becomes incoherent. Without thought, memory, or will, the soul would simply be the power of God that, for lack of a better description, would simply return to him upon your death, without any imprint of who "you" are.

It's an interesting dilemna with profound consequences that I really don't think you've thought out very well...

59 posted on 07/22/2011 4:17:08 AM PDT by csense
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To: csense; allmendream; metmom

” If the mind is simply a function of physical processes, which upon death ceases to exist, then the concept of a soul becomes incoherent. Without thought, memory, or will, the soul would simply be the power of God that, for lack of a better description, would simply return to him upon your death, without any imprint of who “you” are.”

Spirited: Precisely! And of course this was Kant’s paradox, but being morally deficient he simply plowed on, because at bottom, his main focus was “me, myself, and I.” Thus his idealist monism, which teaches that reality exists in the deified mind of narcissists like Kant.


60 posted on 07/22/2011 5:14:10 AM PDT by spirited irish
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