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To: allmendream
Do you think stars forming right now off in the universe are not created by God unless he added something supernatural?

God created the materials from which the stars are forming from nothing. He also created the natural processes which allow the stars to form. So although the stars are forming through natural processes, it would not have happened without supernatural power to begin with. Is there some part of that with which you do not agree?

I'm unclear why you are taking such a "mocking" tone in calling God's supernatural power "magic." Perhaps I am misconstruing and you would care to clarify.

46 posted on 07/21/2011 12:31:12 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody; allmendream
I'm unclear why you are taking such a "mocking" tone in calling God's supernatural power "magic." Perhaps I am misconstruing and you would care to clarify.

Ignore him, Goody. He's just trying to get a rise out of you.

He believes a magician enabled a virgin to get pregnant and give birth once. That violates his uniformitarianism, but of course, that was different. That was a "miracle." [/sarcasm]

47 posted on 07/21/2011 2:40:51 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: MEGoody; allmendream

Do you think stars forming right now off in the universe are not created by God unless he added something supernatural?

I of course have a eternal soul that is spirit, as God is spirit.

But that is not and never should be the realm of science.

But my physical body and physical brain have no need of supernatural intervention for their formation and function. They are all understandable chemical reactions on a larger and more complex scale than what we see in the humble flatworm.

Do you think that stars need magic added in order to be created by God?

Spirited: “God is ceaselessly at work in the things which he has created. It is not with respect to his substance that we are in him (for) we are certainly different from him, we are not in him in any other way except that he brings it (our existence) about; and this is his work, whereby he contains all things. It is through his ordering that in him we live and move and are. Hence...if he withdrew this work of his from things, we would neither live nor move nor be.” (Bede, Commentary on the Acts of the Apostles 17.28a)

Bede has defined the stark differences between the natural theology of Liberal Christianity and its’ dead-god of immanentism and the living, personal Triune God of Christian theism.

The former is a nature religion of science. It is monistic, scientistic, evolutionary, and elevates man as divine. Monism teaches Hermetic continuity between man and the immanentist god-force.

The latter is dualistic. It teaches the existence of two realms: the natural realm and the supernatural realm. There is NO continuity between these two realms. Dualism refers to man’s created condition as well. Here we speak of mind/body dualism. The body is matter but the soul, when open to the supernatural realm, transcends the material realm.

allmendream very clearly rejects the supernatural realm which places him in the only remaining category: monism.

He has previously stated that his mind is materialized. This makes sense within materialist monism which teaches that all that exists is matter. However, dogmatic materialism and Liberal Christianity are becoming “spiritized” by Eastern monism (i.e., Theosophy, Hinduism, Buddhism), which accounts for the “new spirituality” sweeping across post-Christian America. Thus AMD speaks of a non-supernatural hence immanentist dead-god of forces incapable of endowing him with an immortal soul.


48 posted on 07/21/2011 3:55:49 PM PDT by spirited irish
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