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To: vladimir998
The Catholic Church has its own problems and problem people.

Every single denomination has this ... none are immune to wolves in sheeps clothing.

The difference is that problems don’t become doctrinal reversals.

Yeah well we could talk about doctrine all day. The RCC has consistently gotten this one right ... homosexuality should be condemned. Golf clap ...

Homosexuality will be accepted by more and more Protestant denominations.

I accept your statement, and will add that more and more individual Catholics will accept it too.

That just will never happen with the Catholic Church.

Perhaps not ... but all it will take is one appearance of Mary declaring otherwise, one divine revelation to a pope, or one translation of a long lost apostolic father to change that.

59 posted on 07/05/2011 7:59:22 AM PDT by dartuser ("Dealing with preterists is like cleaning the litter box ... but at least none of the cats are big.")
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To: dartuser

“Perhaps not ... but all it will take is one appearance of Mary declaring otherwise, one divine revelation to a pope, or one translation of a long lost apostolic father to change that.”

I’ll take that wager.


63 posted on 07/05/2011 8:13:16 AM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: dartuser

You wrote:

“I accept your statement, and will add that more and more individual Catholics will accept it too.”

True, but if the Church never accepts it than it won’t matter much in the end. The Church’s doctrine will stay pure. People never really do.

“Perhaps not ... but all it will take is one appearance of Mary declaring otherwise, one divine revelation to a pope, or one translation of a long lost apostolic father to change that.”

Nope. No such apparition of Mary will ever happen, nor will there be a papal declaration, nor a translation of a non-existant apostolic document. It’s never happened yet, and it can’t anyway.


81 posted on 07/05/2011 11:44:50 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Sweden - one of the next Muslim countries)
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To: dartuser
all it will take is one appearance of Mary declaring otherwise, one divine revelation to a pope, or one translation of a long lost apostolic father to change that.

You are so very wrong. You will not come up with any examples of doctrine developing that way in the Catholic Church in 2000 years ... why would we start now?

Marian apparitions can't produce new dogma, and they certainly can't produce new dogma that shreds old dogma. Popes don't receive "divine revelations". (Call Salt Lake City for that.)

No "translation of a long lost apostolic father" could produce new dogma, and especially not new dogma that shreds old dogma, nor could any work of a "long lost apostolic father"

109 posted on 07/05/2011 8:57:02 PM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: dartuser

“Perhaps not ... but all it will take is one appearance of Mary declaring otherwise, one divine revelation to a pope, or one translation of a long lost apostolic father to change that.”

Should you wish to argue that, go ahead, but there’s little to no reason why some “revelation” would condemn what is foundational scripture to the church. Again, there are places for people with said inclinations in church, but acting on inclinations in an improper way is wrong. Catholicism also has no problem with celibacy, or not being in the business of marriage, dating etc., because of your sinful inclinations, or because you really wish to serve God full-time. That being said, the matter is fairly settled.

Just because claimed “revelations” or claimed “Messiahs” can happen doesn’t mean there has to be a doctrinal change either, the diverse religions on Earth attest to that quite well.


119 posted on 07/06/2011 9:40:46 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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