Posted on 06/30/2011 12:33:48 PM PDT by Colofornian
...The church's assets are thought to be worth more than $30 billion.
...The church reportedly receives more than $5 billion in tithes every year.
The church also has substantial real estate and for-profit business investments, managed by Deseret Management Corp. The company is one of the largest owners of farm and ranch land in the U.S. It owns the country's largest nut producer, AgReserves, Inc., the 14th largest radio chain, Bonneville International Corp...
Economic entrepreneurialism is...part of Mormon doctrine — 88 of...112 revelations received by... founder Joseph Smith deal with fiscal matters.
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The Twilight saga is actually about the Mormon belief in eternal marriage.
The Twilight series, by Mormon author Stephanie Meyers, is an allegory for the Mormon concept of "celestial marriage" - the belief that a couple that is "sealed" in a Mormon temple will stay bound together forever...
Edward and Bella's bond is sealed when Edward bites Bella. As with a Mormon marriage, there's no turning back for Bella, who is transformed into a vampire for eternity.
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The Mormon church thinks polygamy might be okay in the afterlife.
...(the official Mormon church)...still believes...the divine principle of plural marriage may apply in heaven. In the case of death or divorce, Mormon men can be sealed to another wife and all of their celestial marriages will be honored in eternity.
The LDS...tried to distance itself from...40,000 fundamentalist Mormons who still practice polygamy...
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Mormons wear special undergarments called a "temple garment"...designed to give "protection against temptation and evil."
Many Mormons believe the underwear provides spiritual protection.
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Mormons believe that when Jesus returns, he's coming to the U.S.
Mormons believe...all the...Christian churches fell into apostasy...
...Jesus will personally return to reign over a paradisaical Kingdom on earth. His headquarters will be at the...temple in Jackson County, Missouri...
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Put on the decoder ring ben. I've pointed out from mormon doctrine that 'continually try(ing) to live the best life' is not adequate for the grace of Jesus. That statement also falls far below your earlier bleat about how well you live the commandments. Which one is it - and what does mormon doctrine say? You know the answer.
How are you forgiven of your sin ben? Mormon doctrine tells me you can't be forgiven in your sins (ALMA 11:37). Mormon doctrine tells me that Jesus' grace for salvation only comes after YOU have removed ALL sin from your life (MORONI 10:32, DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS 58:43).
I can't make these things up Ben. Does you statement above match what your church doctrine teaches from above.
How can the God of Mormonism promise you forgiveness when he holds you accountable for every sin you repeatedly commit?
If your sin debt couldn't be repaid to heavenly father, what make you think you have the ability pay the debt to Jesus? And remember what Isaiah said about how heavenly father views such works.
and if your man who became a god was real he still couldnt bless his way out of a paper bag
Your phony “blessings” are just that...phony
and prideful...
God will bless people without you directing Him
He blesses the “good” and He blesses the sinner...
But I repeat myself
There are none good only God
We are all sinners...
Some of us and saved by Grace...
and then there are others who think themselves too “good” to need God’s mercy...
But I already explainewd that “good” thingy...
Anyway kid...
God sent you to us...
and for once quite a few are in this thread...
See how God woks
(The Christian god...the Almighty and capable of saving to the uttermnost with His Blood one
not the punny victim man thingy mormon god who cant save everyone...well cant save anyone...)
You are fortunate that He had mercy on you and did so
Most here wouldnt have given you the time of day...
Nobody likes a smart butt..
So just read what the merciful FReepers have given you
and read the Bible for understanding and not a “works” assignment
Everybody was where you are now
Ignorant, unlearned, a know-it-all, far from God, atheist
But God works miracles of salvation and healing...
and He will for you too
If you ask Him
and if you let Him
Call to me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you know not. Jeremiah 33:3
Like most LDS, you don’t get it isnt’ about a ‘sect’ or a ‘church’, it is about CHRIST. Most of us here belong to a wide variety of churches, but we all agree on the basics - the person, nature and work of Jesus Christ (including the Trinity). Things the LDS do not agree on which is why they are not Christian.
The true Church of Christ isn’t a denomination, it is the universal body of all believes who are saved by grace alone, through faith alone. But the LDS never get that. Don’t worry, I didn’t get it either when I was LDS. Stick around and you may learn something.
And yes, this is another Mormon Lie
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Well admitting it is the first step to leaving Mormonism.
Mormons lie so effortlessly that they oftimes don’t even realize that they are lying.
I start at the beginning of Matthew and read all the way to the of Acts and start
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
WOW
all the way through Acts
Why not all the way to Revelation ???
Go on be a devil
get way ahead of your visiting home teacher...
read all the rest of the New Testament...
(shaking head) - nana this is akin to 0bama's 57 state quote. The NT has 27 books all together, not the 5 referred to here by Ben. That is unless the Gospels and Acts were books NOT covered by the instructor.
I dont’ believe that either. And I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ, the universal body of those saved by grace, which covers many denominations.
Again, you just don’t get it.
And my argument about BYU is dead on accurate. Those with degrees from BYU in fields like Religion, Archeology, and History are not widely accepted outside Mormonism.
Not wrong in the least. You cannot seriously investigate Mormonism and buy into it, not if you have half a brain and certainly not if you are really familiar with the arguments and evidence against it.
There is no address. Christ didn’t set up a denomination and apparently you have no idea what the Greek word for ‘church’ acutally means.
I found Christ in the Bible alone, not a church. I have attended several denominations (all Christian and all part of the Church Universal) over the years, so it doesn’t really matter where I attend now, does it?
Well I suppose it depends on how you define ‘paid’. Stipends and percentages of tithing (which was very common) are means of payment as are the moneys the GA’s get for these fake board seats they hold on LDS companies (average one million per year per apostle).
Colo knows his stuff and his research is always spot on.
You may want to check out the book “The Mormon Corporate Empire” for more detailed info and sources however.
Can you blame a Mormon for not allowing their mind to record the truth of what their false prophet taught?
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Yes and no. Yes because it is their salvation on the line and it grieves me that they would rather live a comfortable lie than really search the truth.
No, because the brainwashing is very intensive and deep. The clutches of Mormonism are hard to escape, which is proof it is the demonic cult we know it to be.
Perhaps they are taught to fall back on that ‘little white lie’ when they’re losing credulity.
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Quite possibly. I probably made the claim myself when I was LDS. Lies like that give street cred in LDS circles and are an ego boost to those in Mormonism.
No, I am not on drugs. Never have been. Sandy refers to a LDS person who used to frequent these threads, Willard refers to Romney.
And you can protest all you want, but I still don’t believe it. I have known too many atheists and too many LDS to fall for the ‘I used to be an atheist anti-mormon’. They just don’t exist unless they grew up in the LDS church, left and THEN became an atheist. Atheists don’t convert to Mormonism and certainly don’t waste their time fighting Mormons.
The LDS don’t have any idea what the ‘atonement’ really is. Good deeds will get you nowhere but Hell. They can’t save you, they can’t even contribute. And how can you be sure you have been forgiven (past tense) of all your sins. How do you know you have repented? Even your own prophet Spencer Kimball says that is impossible. Perhaps you need to read “The Miracle of Forgiveness” to see how impossible it really is.
I have been forgiven, not because of anything I do, but because of what CHRIST ALREADY DID.
Mormon teaching is that Christ is our mortgage broker and we have to work to pay him back. Do you want the sources for that? I can provide them. Basically LDS theology turns Christ into a LOAN SHARK and that isn’t the Christ of the Bible at all.
Do you knwo what your works are to God? FILTHY RAGS (lit. used menstrual clothes). So, try all you want, but it won’t get you anywhere. And, frankly, Gozilla is right, you have broken several commandments here tonight, and if you break one you have broken them all, so it looks like all your ‘good works’ just went out the window and thus you are headed straight for Hell. Funny how a gospel of works works that way.
We get more supporters from guys like this. He really is doing us a service. Behavior like that shows the lurkers how nonviable Mormonism is. We should thank him.
I read from the New Testament every day
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Reading it through Mormon glasses doesn’t help. It only reinforces the deception.
And why read something that is so full of errors and unreliable (and I can source those teachings by the LDS as well).
If he served a mission he’s been through the temple. I suspect he knows it but just keeps spouting the same old pat answers that they are told to respond.
Mormon missions are perfect training grounds for ‘lying for the Lord’.
More ad hominum attacks? really? pathetic. I didn’t respond because I hadn’t gotten there yet. And there is no address to give, the church is the church universal, not a denomination.
You are the coward, can’t even defend your faith. That is sad.
I start at the beginning of Matthew and read all the way to the of Acts and start over.
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You have done NOTHING but name call all day, not looking good for LDS inc.
And try reading PAST acts, like Romans and Hebrews. Both are great for shooting down Mormon doctrine in flames.
And try reading a KJV that is NOT put out by your church. One without footnotes and ‘helps’. God can open your eyes, but you have to take of the Mormon blinders first.
I wrote: Do you realize that John 1:1 counters LDS theology?
you responded with: “It proves it. And that’s all there is to it. I’m done talking to you. You are full of rage. It was funny at first. Now I think you are mentally ill.”
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Now, how does my statement of John 1:1 countering LDS theology (and it does I can prove that) make me ‘full of rage’ and mentally ill? Seriously. That makes NO sense.
I suspect you aren’t talking to me anymore because I am hitting some hot buttons.
C’mon. Lets debate. I can prove any unique LDS doctrine is contrary to the Bible, just using the Bible.
I wrote: Do you realize that John 1:1 counters LDS theology?
you responded with: “It proves it. And that’s all there is to it. I’m done talking to you. You are full of rage. It was funny at first. Now I think you are mentally ill.”
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Now, how does my statement of John 1:1 countering LDS theology (and it does I can prove that) make me ‘full of rage’ and mentally ill? Seriously. That makes NO sense.
I suspect you aren’t talking to me anymore because I am hitting some hot buttons.
C’mon. Lets debate. I can prove any unique LDS doctrine is contrary to the Bible, just using the Bible.
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