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To: HarleyD; Natural Law; daniel1212; kosta50; Notwithstanding; MarkBsnr; bronx2; Quix
And, for more proof of this from history is that the Earliest Christians also said any consideration of this as just a metaphor was false -- Ignature of Antioch (disciple of Apotle John) wrote in AD 110 wrote about heretics who abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in his goodness, raised up again" (Letter to the SMyrnaens). The earliest Christians beleived this to be the ACTUAL body of Christ. Why, they were also accused by pagans of being cannibals and Justin MArtyr had to write a defence to the Emperor saying "Not as common bread or common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nourished, . . . is both the flesh and the blood of that incarnated Jesus"

in view of this overwhelming evidence from scripture and supplemented by the practise and belief of the earliest Christians, we can only say that there IS a real presence in the Eucharist. Martin Luther too believed it -- he said that Who, but the devil, has granted such license of wresting the words of the holy Scripture? Who ever read in the Scriptures, that my body is the same as the sign of my body? or, that is is the same as it signifies? What language in the world ever spoke so? It is only then the devil, that imposes upon us by these fanatical men. --> only Calvin/Zwingli turned around what Christ had said
78 posted on 05/26/2011 12:21:01 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Cronos; Natural Law; daniel1212; kosta50; Notwithstanding; MarkBsnr; Quix
And, for more proof of this from history is that the Earliest Christians also said any consideration of this as just a metaphor was false

Seeing how the fathers like Jerome and Augustine did not consider the writings of Ignatius of Antioch to be inspired writings, does it really matter? If you believe Ignatius of Antioch's Letter to the SMyrnaens why don't you believe Augustine's Treatise on the Predestination of the Saints?Catholics pick and choose which writings they want to believe and emphasize while ignoring or distorting other writings. I'm not very impress anymore when Catholics quote the fathers to me. It only means that they're ignoring what the scripture teaches.

130 posted on 05/27/2011 5:38:59 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Cronos
...turned around what Christ had said

This seems to happen a LOT!

181 posted on 05/28/2011 4:56:04 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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