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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
it’s funny how no one knew Jesus was to come back a second and third time, ( because that’s what the pre-trib rapture folks preach ) until the 19th century.

And no one (in your religion) knew that Jesus had brothers and sisters til they were able to read it for themselves...But then they were taught not to beleive it anyway...

What your religion taught for centuries is irrelevant since it taught what it wanted the Catholics to hear, not what the scriptures said...

still no one has showed me from scripture ( come on, you folks believe in sola scriptura, not me ) where it says Jesus will come a second and third time.

How do you figure millions of people can see it in the scriptures but you can't???

I don't know any of these bible believer here on FR...Yet they can see the Rapture in the scriptures as I can...What happended (or didn't happen) to you???

332 posted on 05/22/2011 3:25:20 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool

If Christ had real Brothers and Sister I find it totally amazing that not one was there to comfort His mother when as first born and only Child he put THE APOSTLE JOHN IN CHARGE OF HIS MOTHER LIKE A SON. THIS IS HIGHLY INSULTING TO KOSHER JEWISH BROTHERS AND SISTERS. DOES NOT MAKE SENSE AT ALL. No. Not one was there for there Mother while the brother Jesus hangs on a cross. That’s one of the strangest Family acts in the History of the world. This is the one fact that really nails it for me. I can’t see any sense to him having siblings. Consider God’s fifth commandement( Honor your mother...).


341 posted on 05/22/2011 6:16:52 AM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: Iscool

my friend, if it wasn’t for “my religion”, you would not even have the Scriptures. “my religion” received the books originally, copied them by hand over the centuries, decided which books matched the Apostolic Tradition and therefore would go into the canon and finally put all the books together in the book you call The Bible. given all that, you really should show more respect for “my religion”.


344 posted on 05/22/2011 6:21:30 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism (C)
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To: Iscool
brother has shades of meaning because Aramaic and other Semitic languages do not differentiate between a blood brother/sister and a cousin or other

For example

  1. MAtt 1:2 "Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers," for step-brothers with the same father but different mothers
  2. acts 3:17 "17And now, brethren,"
  3. Luke 10:29 "and who is my brother"
  4. Matt 5:47
  5. Matt 23:8
  6. Rev 22:9
So, yes, brothers had a wider meaning then just blood brother. And no, the term "Irdu" is not used biblically.

The NT was written in Greek, ok -- not all, but let's take your argument for the sake of argument. Remember also that the words of Jesus were mostly Aramaic or Hebrew or maybe even GReek -- we've already shown that in SEmitic languages like Aramaic/hebrew there is no differntiating term between a blood brother and a cousin, let's examine the GReek ouch outos estin o tekton o uios Marias adelphos de Iakobou Iose kai Iouda kai Simonos

If the term is that the adelphoi have the same mother then it would be ho adelphos But that is not used. Without the article adelphos is non-specific and non-exclusive and can mean kinsmen, relatives

Furthermore, I give you two examples of why He didn't have blood brothers of the same mother

  1. Why give John to look after Mary -- that would be quite "rude" (at the very least) to his other brothers, not something a Jew in those days would do
  2. Why does Mary act surprised when the Angel tells her she will conceive?

He also had brothers, half brothers.

perhaps brothers from his father's earlier wife maybe, or more plausibly cousins.

Have you been to the Middle-East lately? A guy will call his cousin his brother. This is true of this clan society just as it was in the time of Christ.

More importantly, you have no proof that they were the children of Mary -- if they were, then why did Jesus tell John to take care of His mother? that's a classic affront if he had any brothers through Mary

you have no proof for your statement, there is nothing in the Bible that holds to your statement

Yet, let's look at scripture, in Luke 1:27 we read 27To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph == ok, so Mary's married to Joseph, yet in 1:34 we read How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Huh? She's already espoused to Joseph, why should she be surprised that the angel says You will conceive and give birth to a son?

Note -- you "will" -- if she expected to have normal marital intercourse, she'd say "ok, I'm a virgin now, so I WILL have sex, conceive and give birth, big deal", yet she is surprised and asks "how? I'm a virgin" -- this does not make sense unless she was not going to have sex at all.

879 posted on 05/31/2011 5:05:45 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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