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'Generous' approval (urged), Vatican issues new norms for the Tridentine rite. [Catholic Caucus]
ArlingtonCatholicHerald.com ^ | 5/13/11 | JOHN THAVIS | Catholic News Service

Posted on 05/15/2011 11:26:27 AM PDT by Salvation

'Generous' approval
Vatican issues new norms for the Tridentine rite.
 
JOHN THAVIS | Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY — A new Vatican instruction calls on local bishops and pastors to respond generously to Catholics who seek celebration of the Mass according to the 1962 Roman Missal, commonly known as the Tridentine rite.

The instruction, issued May 13, said pastors should approve such Masses for groups of faithful, even when such groups are small or are formed of people from different parishes or dioceses. These faithful cannot, however, contest the validity of the modern Mass or the authority of the pope.

"In deciding individual cases, the pastor or the rector, or the priest responsible for a church, is to be guided by his own prudence, motivated by pastoral zeal and a spirit of generous welcome," it said.

The instruction said that, depending on pastoral needs, bishops should make sure seminarians are trained in celebrating the Tridentine rite, or "extraordinary form" of the Mass.

At the same time, the Vatican said the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei would be responsible for ensuring local church officials were making the old rite available where warranted.

 

The instruction was issued by the Ecclesia Dei commission and approved by Pope Benedict XVI. It came nearly four years after the pope, in an apostolic letter titled "Summorum Pontificum," relaxed restrictions on use of the Tridentine rite and said it should be made available in every parish where groups of the faithful desire it.

The new instruction said the pope's letter of 2007 had three main aims: to offer the old rite to all the faithful as a "precious treasure" to be preserved, to guarantee the use of the old rite "for all who ask for it" and to promote reconciliation in the church.

It said local bishops have the responsibility to make sure liturgical matters in their dioceses are proceeding in agreement with the pope's expressed desires and in "peace and serenity." That includes taking measures to ensure respect for the extraordinary form of the Roman rite, it said.

The instruction, in a section listing "specific norms," addressed several issues that have arisen as groups of faithful have petitioned for the scheduling of Masses in the old rite:

— The papal letter had stated that a "group of the faithful" existing "in a stable manner" could legitimately request celebration of the Tridentine rite. The norms said such a group could be "quite small," could have formed after the publication of "Summorum Pontificum" and could be made up of Catholics from different parishes or dioceses who want to gather in a specific parish church or chapel.

— In the case of a priest who presents himself occasionally in a parish church with some of the faithful and wishes to celebrate in the extraordinary form, the local pastor should permit it.

— The norms said the Tridentine rite should be made available at sanctuaries and pilgrimage sites to groups of pilgrims who request it, if there is a qualified priest.

— The faithful who ask for celebration of the Tridentine rite must not belong to or support groups that contest the pope or the validity of the Mass and sacraments as celebrated in the ordinary form, the norms said.

Jesuit Father Federico Lombardi, Vatican spokesman, said the language of that provision made it clear that "there should be no polemical or critical intent on the part of those people making the request."

The instruction also addressed the question of who can celebrate the Tridentine rite. The papal letter had said that priests who use the 1962 Roman Missal must be "qualified" to do so, but did not spell out requirements.

The new document said that every Catholic priest in good standing is generally qualified to celebrate Mass in the extraordinary form. A basic knowledge of Latin is needed, enough to pronounce the words correctly and understand their meaning, it said.

Regarding the need to know the rite, it said priests are presumed to be qualified if they present themselves spontaneously to celebrate the Tridentine rite and have celebrated it previously.

Father Lombardi said learning, or relearning, the rubrics of the old rite could be "demanding."

"For example, I wouldn't have a problem with the Latin. But knowing all the rubrics that indicate the movements and particular gestures is much more complex," he said.

The instruction said the Ecclesia Dei commission would be in charge of monitoring compliance with the provisions allowing the use of the old rite, and would have the power to decide on recourse by groups of faithful against "any possible singular administrative provision of an ordinary which appears to be contrary" to the papal letter. The commission's decisions can, in turn, be appealed to the Vatican's highest tribunal, the Apostolic Signature.

The Ecclesia Dei commission is headed by U.S. Cardinal William J. Levada, the prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, who signed the instruction.

On other matters, the instruction:

— Said a group of faithful can celebrate the Easter triduum services in the extraordinary form if there is a qualified priest. In making a church or oratory available, the local pastor should not exclude the possibility of celebrating the triduum services in both ordinary and extraordinary forms in the same church.

— New saints and some new prayers for special occasions can and should be inserted into the 1962 Missal. It said provisions on this question would be issued later.

— All priests have permission to celebrate the Tridentine rite alone, without a group of faithful.

— Masses for the ordination of priests should always use the ordinary rite, except when it involves the small number of religious institutes with a special dedication to the extraordinary rite.

The instruction said use of the Tridentine rite would also require exceptions from liturgical norms currently in use that are "incompatible with the rubrics of the liturgical books in effect in 1962." It did not spell out those exceptions.

Asked if altar girls are allowed to serve at a celebration of the Tridentine rite, Father Lombardi said the question was not specifically addressed in the new instruction.


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Lots of sub-points listed, but could be more thorough.
1 posted on 05/15/2011 11:26:33 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: Salvation

I asked if this could be a Catholic Caucus thread.


2 posted on 05/15/2011 11:29:45 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: All
This is a Catholic Caucus thread.


Guidelines for Catholic Caucus Threads


3 posted on 05/15/2011 11:31:44 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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— All priests have permission to celebrate the Tridentine rite alone, without a group of faithful.
4 posted on 05/15/2011 11:35:00 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Catholic Discussion Ping!


5 posted on 05/15/2011 11:37:03 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
The letter has some good points and some not so good. What about girl altar boys? They're doing it in England.

The letter will probably help promote the Mass, but still it lacks teeth. I suspect we'll get another one in four more years saying, "I really mean it this time. Really."

6 posted on 05/15/2011 11:37:27 AM PDT by eens (beware the errors of Russia)
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"Celebrating the Old Mass but in a manner that alienates traditionalists sounds like a clumsy attempt to run with the hare and hunt with the hounds"

From your link. You really have to wonder about the motivations of the clergy who would dream up such a poisoned concoction.

7 posted on 05/15/2011 11:57:04 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: Salvation
Jesuit Father Federico Lombardi, Vatican spokesman, said the language of that provision made it clear that "there should be no polemical or critical intent on the part of those people making the request."

Well, that summarily disqualifies me since I specialize in "polemical or critical intent". Fortunately, other people requested our local Latin Mass some years ago who presumably did not. Doesn't say polemics like me can't attend.

8 posted on 05/15/2011 12:01:32 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: Salvation
Is the actual letter available anywhere yet? There are some very interesting points here, i.e., ordination is always to be in the ordinary form unless the order has fealty to the extraordinary.

It will be interesting to see how this is applied. I happen to live in an archdiocese that has had the extraordinary form since 1984, when JPII first allowed it. So far, there are an increasing number of priests that offer it, but so far as I know always with the permission of the archbishop. I wonder how many priests would use this letter as a way around fealty to the bishop if a bishop refused to allow it.

Interesting times, that's for sure.

9 posted on 05/15/2011 12:10:51 PM PDT by Desdemona ( If trusting the men in the clergy was a requirement for Faith, there would be no one in the pews.)
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To: Salvation

A Pontifical High (Tridentine) Mass was offered at the Vatican this morning, Sunday May 15, 2011. It was in conjunction with the Third Conference on Summorum Pontificum held in Rome, May 13-15.

Snippets available here, video runs about 6 minutes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EvzSPDS83c


10 posted on 05/15/2011 12:17:11 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM ("Sola Ecclesia")
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Thanks. Just buffering now, but will be a definite YouTube favourite in my account. Should be a rare chance to show the kids what a Tridentine High Mass looks like in hi-res and colour! (previously they had seen only 1940’s film).


11 posted on 05/15/2011 12:26:54 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: eens

I see the allowance for “girl” altar boys as a Marxist push to destroy the Catholic Church from within—(Postmodern German Philosophy). It is the fundamental idea that there is no difference between male and female (underlying Marxist lie and ideology to eliminate marriage and destroy the Natural family—it is what makes homosexual marriage possible (and a joke). ).

To pretend there is no difference is to defy God’s design of man and woman—the very foundation of Biblical Truth.

To condition little girls and boys into thinking there is no difference in their biology or “roles” as designed by God, is to undermine the Church in the eyes of those who will become the future of the Church and determine its direction. Marxists want to destroy the Church from within...that is why they have destroyed so much of the tradition of the Church (crucial to destroying knowledge and understanding and meaning).

Catholic Church has got to return to its roots and traditions in all its glory and quite living this communist”flux” view of human nature.


12 posted on 05/15/2011 12:48:59 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: eens

If you had taken the trouble to read the letter and commentary on it, you would not have unnecessarily stirred up people over this point.

The instruction makes altar girls impossible in the Extraordinary form. So stop it with the scandal-mongering. The Cambridge scandal is just that—a scandal, nipped in the bud by this instruction.

The instruction clarifies that practices permitted by post-1962 legislation are not permitted in the 1962 rite. So, communion in the hand is not permitted at the Extraordinary Form. Altar girls are not permitted in the EF.


13 posted on 05/15/2011 1:58:39 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Desdemona

Go to What Does the Prayer Really Say, the blog run by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf. He has links to the instruction itself as well as a round-up of the best commentary on it, starting with his own commentary at 6 am on Friday May 13 when the embargo on the text ended. He had advanced copy and was dropping hints in the days leading up to it. The commentary you’ll find there is the best there is.


14 posted on 05/15/2011 2:01:18 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Desdemona
http://www.wdtprs.com/media/print/11_05_13_Instruction_Universae_Ecclesiae_Eng.rtf (Word document)


PONTIFICAL COMMISSION ECCLESIA DEI

INSTRUCTION

on the application of the Apostolic Letter Summorum Pontificum of
HIS HOLINESS POPE BENEDICT XVI given Motu Proprio

I.

Introduction
    
    1. The Apostolic Letter Summorum Pontificum of the Sovereign Pontiff Benedict XVI given Motu Proprio on 7 July 2007, which came into effect on 14 September 2007, has made the richness of the Roman Liturgy more accessible to the Universal Church.

2. With this Motu Proprio, the Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI promulgated a universal law for the Church, intended to establish new regulations for the use of the Roman Liturgy in effect in 1962.

3. The Holy Father, having recalled the concern of the Sovereign Pontiffs in caring for the Sacred Liturgy and in their recognition of liturgical books, reaffirms the traditional principle, recognised from time immemorial and necessary to be maintained into the future, that “each particular Church must be in accord with the universal Church not only regarding the doctrine of the faith and sacramental signs, but also as to the usages universally handed down by apostolic and unbroken tradition. These are to be maintained not only so that errors may be avoided, but also so that the faith may be passed on in its integrity, since the Church's rule of prayer (lex orandi) corresponds to her rule of belief (lex credendi).”
4. The Holy Father recalls also those Roman Pontiffs who, in a particular way, were notable in this task, specifically Saint Gregory the Great and Saint Pius V. The Holy Father stresses moreover that, among the sacred liturgical books, the Missale Romanum has enjoyed a particular prominence in history, and was kept up to date throughout the centuries until the time of Blessed Pope John XXIII. Subsequently in 1970, following the liturgical reform after the Second Vatican Council, Pope Paul VI approved for the Church of the Latin rite a new Missal, which was then translated into various languages. In the year 2000, Pope John Paul II promulgated the third edition of this Missal.
        
5. Many of the faithful, formed in the spirit of the liturgical forms prior to the Second Vatican Council, expressed a lively desire to maintain the ancient tradition. For this reason, Pope John Paul II with a special Indult Quattuor abhinc annos issued in 1984 by the Congregation for Divine Worship, granted the faculty under certain conditions to restore the use of the Missal promulgated by Blessed Pope John XXIII. Subsequently, Pope John Paul II, with the Motu Proprio Ecclesia Dei of 1988, exhorted the Bishops to be generous in granting such a faculty for all the faithful who requested it. Pope Benedict continues this policy with the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum regarding certain essential criteria for the Usus Antiquior of the Roman Rite, which are recalled here.

6. The Roman Missal promulgated by Pope Paul VI and the last edition prepared under Pope John XXIII, are two forms of the Roman Liturgy, defined respectively as ordinaria and extraordinaria: they are two usages of the one Roman Rite, one alongside the other. Both are the expression of the same lex orandi of the Church. On account of its venerable and ancient use, the forma extraordinaria is to be maintained with appropriate honor.

7. The Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum was accompanied by a letter from the Holy Father to Bishops, with the same date as the Motu Proprio (7 July 2007). This letter gave further explanations regarding the appropriateness and the need for the Motu Proprio; it was a matter of overcoming a lacuna by providing new norms for the use of the Roman Liturgy of 1962. Such norms were needed particularly on account of the fact that, when the new Missal had been introduced under Pope Paul VI, it had not seemed necessary to issue guidelines regulating the use of the 1962 Liturgy. By reason of the increase in the number of those asking to be able to use the forma extraordinaria, it has become necessary to provide certain norms in this area.
Among the statements of the Holy Father was the following: “There is no contradiction between the two editions of the Roman Missal. In the history of the Liturgy growth and progress are found, but not a rupture. What was sacred for prior generations, remains sacred and great for us as well, and cannot be suddenly prohibited altogether or even judged harmful.”

8. The Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum constitutes an important expression of the Magisterium of the Roman Pontiff and of his munus of regulating and ordering the Church’s Sacred Liturgy. The Motu Proprio manifests his solicitude as Vicar of Christ and Supreme Pastor of the Universal Church,  and has the aim of:
a.    offering to all the faithful the Roman Liturgy in the Usus Antiquior, considered as a precious treasure  to be preserved;
b.    effectively guaranteeing and ensuring the use of the forma extraordinaria for all who ask for it, given that the use of the 1962 Roman Liturgy is a faculty generously granted for the good of the faithful and therefore is to be interpreted in a sense favourable to the faithful who are its principal addressees;
c.    promoting reconciliation at the heart of the Church.

II.
The Responsibilities
of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei

9. The Sovereign Pontiff has conferred upon the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei ordinary vicarious power for the matters within its competence, in a particular way for monitoring the observance and application of the provisions of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum (cf. art. 12).

10. § 1. The Pontifical Commission exercises this power, beyond the faculties previously granted by Pope John Paul II and confirmed by Pope Benedict XVI (cf. Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, artt. 11-12), also by means of the power to decide upon recourses legitimately sent to it, as hierarchical Superior, against any possible singular administrative provision of an Ordinary which appears to be contrary to the Motu Proprio.
    § 2. The decrees by which the Pontifical Commission decides recourses may be challenged ad normam iuris before the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura.

11. After having received the approval from the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei will have the task of looking after future editions of liturgical texts pertaining to the forma extraordinaria of the Roman Rite.  

III.
Specific Norms

12. Following upon the inquiry made among the Bishops of the world, and with the desire to guarantee the proper interpretation and the correct application of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, this Pontifical Commission, by virtue of the authority granted to it and the faculties which it enjoys, issues this Instruction according to can. 34 of the Code of Canon Law.

The Competence of Diocesan Bishops
 
13. Diocesan Bishops, according to Canon Law, are to monitor liturgical matters in order to guarantee the common good and to ensure that everything is proceeding in peace and serenity in their Dioceses, always in agreement with the mens of the Holy Father clearly expressed by the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum. In cases of controversy or well-founded doubt about the celebration in the forma extraordinaria, the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei will adjudicate.

14. It is the task of the Diocesan Bishop to undertake all necessary measures to ensure respect for the forma extraordinaria of the Roman Rite, according to the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum.

The coetus fidelium (cf. Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, art. 5 § 1)

15. A coetus fidelium (“group of the faithful”) can be said to be stabiliter existens (“existing in a stable manner”), according to the sense of art. 5 § 1 of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, when it is constituted by some people of an individual parish who, even after the publication of the Motu Proprio, come together by reason of their veneration for the Liturgy in the Usus Antiquior, and who ask that it might be celebrated in the parish church or in an oratory or chapel; such a coetus (“group”) can also be composed of persons coming from different parishes or dioceses, who gather together in a specific parish church or in an oratory or chapel for this purpose.

    16. In the case of a priest who presents himself occasionally in a parish church or an oratory with some faithful, and wishes to celebrate in the forma extraordinaria, as foreseen by articles 2 and 4 of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, the pastor or rector of the church, or the priest responsible, is to permit such a celebration, while respecting the schedule of liturgical celebrations in that same church.
    
    17. § 1. In deciding individual cases, the pastor or the rector, or the priest responsible for a church, is to be guided by his own prudence, motivated by pastoral zeal and a spirit of generous welcome.
§ 2. In cases of groups which are quite small, they may approach the Ordinary of the place to identify a church in which these faithful may be able to come together for such celebrations, in order to ensure easier participation and a more worthy celebration of the Holy Mass.

18. Even in sanctuaries and places of pilgrimage the possibility to celebrate in the forma extraordinaria is to be offered to groups of pilgrims who request it (cf. Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, art. 5 § 3), if there is a qualified priest.

    19. The faithful who ask for the celebration of the forma extraordinaria must not in any way support or belong to groups which show themselves to be against the validity or legitimacy of the Holy Mass or the Sacraments celebrated in the forma ordinaria or against the Roman Pontiff as Supreme Pastor of the Universal Church.

Sacerdos idoneus (“Qualified Priest”) (cf. Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, art 5 § 4)

20. With respect to the question of the necessary requirements for a priest to be held idoneus (“qualified”) to celebrate in the forma extraordinaria, the following is hereby stated:
a.    Every Catholic priest who is not impeded by Canon Law is to be considered idoneus (“qualified”) for the celebration of the Holy Mass in the forma extraordinaria.
b.    Regarding the use of the Latin language, a basic knowledge is necessary, allowing the priest to pronounce the words correctly and understand their meaning.
c.    Regarding knowledge of the execution of the Rite, priests are presumed to be qualified who present themselves spontaneously to celebrate the forma extraordinaria, and have celebrated it previously.

21. Ordinaries are asked to offer their clergy the possibility of acquiring adequate preparation for celebrations in the forma extraordinaria. This applies also to Seminaries, where future priests should be given proper formation, including study of Latin and, where pastoral needs suggest it, the opportunity to learn the forma extraordinaria of the Roman Rite.

22. In Dioceses without qualified priests, Diocesan Bishops can request assistance from priests of the Institutes erected by the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, either to the celebrate the forma extraordinaria or to teach others how to celebrate it.

23. The faculty to celebrate sine populo (or with the participation of only one minister) in the forma extraordinaria of the Roman Rite is given by the Motu Proprio to all priests, whether secular or religious (cf. Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, art. 2). For such celebrations therefore, priests, by provision of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, do not require any special permission from their Ordinaries or superiors.

Liturgical and Ecclesiastical Discipline

    24. The liturgical books of the forma extraordinaria are to be used as they are. All those who wish to celebrate according to the forma extraordinaria of the Roman Rite must know the pertinent rubrics and are obliged to follow them correctly.

    25. New saints and certain of the new prefaces can and ought to be inserted into the 1962 Missal, according to provisions which will be indicated subsequently.
    
    26. As foreseen by article 6 of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, the readings of the Holy Mass of the Missal of 1962 can be proclaimed either solely in the Latin language, or in Latin followed by the vernacular or, in Low Masses, solely in the vernacular.
    
    27. With regard to the disciplinary norms connected to celebration, the ecclesiastical discipline contained in the Code of Canon Law of 1983 applies.

    28. Furthermore, by virtue of its character of special law, within its own area, the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum derogates from those provisions of law, connected with the sacred Rites, promulgated from 1962 onwards and incompatible with the rubrics of the liturgical books in effect in 1962.

Confirmation and Holy Orders

29. Permission to use the older formula for the rite of Confirmation was confirmed by the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum (cf. art. 9 § 2). Therefore, in the forma extraordinaria, it is not necessary to use the newer formula of Pope Paul VI as found in the Ordo Confirmationis.

30. As regards tonsure, minor orders and the subdiaconate, the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum does not introduce any change in the discipline of the Code of Canon Law of 1983; consequently, in Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life which are under the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, one who has made solemn profession or who has been definitively incorporated into a clerical institute of apostolic life, becomes incardinated as a cleric in the institute or society upon ordination to the diaconate, in accordance with canon 266 § 2 of the Code of Canon Law.

    31. Only in Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life which are under the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, and in those which use the liturgical books of the forma extraordinaria, is the use of the Pontificale Romanum of 1962 for the conferral of minor and major orders permitted.

Breviarium Romanum
    
32. Art. 9 § 3 of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum gives clerics the faculty to use the Breviarium Romanum in effect in 1962, which is to be prayed entirely and in the Latin language.
    
The Sacred Triduum

    33. If there is a qualified priest, a coetus fidelium (“group of faithful”), which follows the older liturgical tradition, can also celebrate the Sacred Triduum in the forma extraordinaria. When there is no church or oratory designated exclusively for such celebrations, the parish priest or Ordinary, in agreement with the qualified priest, should find some arrangement favourable to the good of souls, not excluding the possibility of a repetition of the celebration of the Sacred Triduum in the same church.
    
The Rites of Religious Orders

34. The use of the liturgical books proper to the Religious Orders which were in effect in 1962 is permitted.
    
Pontificale Romanum and the Rituale Romanum

    35. The use of the Pontificale Romanum, the Rituale Romanum, as well as the Caeremoniale Episcoporum in effect in 1962, is permitted, in keeping with n. 28 of this Instruction, and always respecting n. 31 of the same Instruction.


The Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI, in an audience granted to the undersigned Cardinal President of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei on 8 April 2011, approved this present Instruction and ordered its publication.



Given at Rome, at the Offices of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, 30 April, 2011, on the memorial of Pope Saint Pius V.



William Cardinal LEVADA
President



Mons. Guido Pozzo
Secretary
15 posted on 05/15/2011 2:09:25 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM ("Sola Ecclesia")
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To: Houghton M.
The instruction makes altar girls impossible in the Extraordinary form.

That's what it seemed to say when I first read it. But the original post on this thread contains the curious admission from the Vatican spokesman:

"Asked if altar girls are allowed to serve at a celebration of the Tridentine rite, Father Lombardi said the question was not specifically addressed in the new instruction."

You recommend that I read "commentary." Well, Fr. Lombardi is pretty high ranking commentary, right? How come he doesn't see the prohibition?

It just seems that this is more of the same from Rome, a little of this, a little of that. Remember when girl altar boys were never going to be allowed at all? The Wanderer really got its comeuppance with that one. Why should I share your confidence?

16 posted on 05/15/2011 2:18:48 PM PDT by eens (beware the errors of Russia)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Thanks, Brian


17 posted on 05/15/2011 2:32:18 PM PDT by Desdemona ( If trusting the men in the clergy was a requirement for Faith, there would be no one in the pews.)
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Well, I am not polemical in the least. Being very broad-minded, etc.

However, let me add that when the vernacular Mass was first bruited about, I thought they were going to use something based on Cranmer's Book of Common Prayer! It's in beautiful English, it's accurate, it works, it's Catholic. Why, I says to meself, re-invent the wheel?

Instead, re-invent they did. They came up with something that sounded to me as if it were a commercial space lease or an order for 1400 gross of paper towels, written in the back room of an IRA Front pub in South Boston by Whitey Bulger and his friends. Bleating nonsense. And the hymns! (Speaking of bleating) Jesus wept, particularly if He enjoyed classical music.

Throw in obviously light-in-the-loafer lisping celebrants in wacko appliqué vestments, a couple of guitars, girl acolytes, a gay deacon or two, have the ceremony in a ghastly building that the Elks would turn down, and voilá, the Hip New RC Murrican Non-Roman Ecumenical, touchy-feely-o-so-moderne Catholic Church. Oprime número dos para español.

As St. Swithin might say, "Bah Humbug." Get me the Pope, on line 2, and hurry, before everyone Catholic in the US becomes a low-church Protestant, and with good reason!

I hope it is clear to Padre Lombardi that there is no polemical or critical intent in the foregoing observations.

18 posted on 05/15/2011 2:33:47 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (We live in America's "Awkward" Era. Too late to fix the country. To early to start shooting.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Thank you for posting this!

Part of Father’s homily today at our TLM was, in his words, an “instruction on the Instruction.” It is not possible to have a TLM at every parish yet, but as he gestured towards the dozen altar boys, he said, “But I have hope for the future.”

(One of those altar boys is already a seminarian. There IS hope.)

Regards,


19 posted on 05/15/2011 2:47:54 PM PDT by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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To: VermiciousKnid

I’m attending TLM later this evening, and I hope we’ll get some commentary in the sermon, as well.


20 posted on 05/15/2011 3:09:35 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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