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To: Alex Murphy
In the Beginning: The Story of the King James Bible and How It Changed a Nation, a Language, and a Culture is a good book for those interested in this topic. (Even though I disagree a bit about the KJV's effect on "fixing" the English language. It was the Oxford English Dictionary that had the greatest impact on fixing the language.)

ML/NJ

14 posted on 05/06/2011 1:21:33 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj; MrLee
see my post 18.

I'm not sure about your last statement. the KJV probably played a big part in creating Modern English (not in "fixing"), but that also includes Shakespeare and yes, the OED later.

however, English is not "fixed" -- or else it would face the same problem as French which tried to keep the language 'contained' and ended up killing itself. English is continuously evolving, which is good for its longevity, but it's already seriously splitting into English languageS (just as Latin split into regional dialects that only by the 10th century really became separate languages

How it changed a Nation? hmmm... well, King James was Scottish by birth and nationality, and his reign was before the Act of Union in 1707, so it didn't change the United Kingdom as a nation. Did it have an influence on the Scottish and Welsh? Probably, but more so on the English. It did lay the groundwork, but the changing of the "nation" was really done by Henry VII's time -- in the 14th century, the English were still listed as "one of the Germanic nations" in church councils and at the time of James I, the population was still only 4 to 6 million in England and Walese with maybe 2 million in Scotland -- a very tiny country compared to France (25% of Europe's population) or Italy (Germany was still underpopulated and still heavily forested -- in fact prior to the late Middle Ages Germany was still heavily wooded like we see in "Gladiator"), anyway, I digress

So, the changing was done earlier, the KJV helped, and Oliver Cromwell (though I personally dislike the man) did the majority of the part in this change of national perception as "English". This was only reinforced in the later wars with France and raised to its heights in the Victorian Era.

19 posted on 05/06/2011 10:30:24 PM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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What is also fascinating is King James I's religious policy. Though of Scottish origin, he was opposed to Presbyterianism and tried to establish the Anglican episcopal polity in Scotland to replace the Catholic one

James when he first entered England was given the Millenary Petition by the Puritans trying to get him to remove the Anglican episcopal structure

James rejected this as it was also a threat to the very organization of the state (as evidenced in the later Puritan overthrowal of the monarchy and despotism of Cromwell)

He executed Edward Wightman at the stake in 1612 along with Bart Legate (a precusor of the Quakers) -- though looking at the direction in which the Quakers are heading now....

20 posted on 05/06/2011 10:46:26 PM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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