Posted on 05/05/2011 9:38:04 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
VATICAN CITY (CNS) — While Catholics believe the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit and that it is true, one cannot take individual biblical quotes or passages and say each one is literally true, Pope Benedict XVI said.
“It is possible to perceive the sacred Scriptures as the word of God” only by looking at the Bible as a whole, “a totality in which the individual elements enlighten each other and open the way to understanding,” the Pope wrote in a message to the Pontifical Biblical Commission.
“It is not possible to apply the criterion of inspiration or of absolute truth in a mechanical way, extrapolating a single phrase or expression,” the Pope wrote in the message released May 5 at the Vatican.
The commission of biblical scholars, an advisory body to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, met at the Vatican May 2-6 to continue discussions about “Inspiration and Truth in the Bible.”
In his message, the Pope said clearer explanations about the Catholic position on the divine inspiration and truth of the Bible were important because some people seem to treat the Scriptures simply as literature, while others believe that each line was dictated by the Holy Spirit and is literally true.
Neither position is Catholic, the Pope said.
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is = isn’t
Let's allow reason to seep into this. You know, and I know, that part of the Pope's "vicar of Christ on earth" mantra is veneration by Catholics. That is not the doctrine of Evangelicals.
No, you keep sidestepping and trotting out new unproven claims. First you insist that Holy Father is adoration. You can't prove it, but you say it is so. You then pull out two pics of people kneeling and lying prostrate and insist that they show adoration. You can't prove it, but you say it is so. And now you insist that Vicar of Christ is adoration, and guess what. You can't prove it, but you say it is so.
And none of it changes the core facts. If a picture of two people kneeling in front of a baptist preacher does not demonstrate worship because it requires consideration of their intent and motives, then you cannot at the same time claim that a picture of the same action in front of the pope is damning evidence of intent and motive without any consideration. You simply cannot have it both ways, and suggesting otherwise is just making egregious assumptions based on personal bias and prejudice. No Catholic I have ever met has ever worshiped any creature and only the true God. Your insistence is so far from reality it only says anything about you, and nothing about Catholics.
So tell me, if you met the Pope tomorrow, would you bow before him and kiss his ring? Would you kneel before him?
Absolutely. And none of that is adoration. Reverence and respect take many different forms in many cultures, but adoration requires both intent and motive. You cannot accidentally worship.
Why? Because the bible says! Did you read what I posted to you about Peter in Acts telling the man to get up? Why didn't you respond to that?
I didn't see it posted to me, but a response is easy. The verse says very clearly "And it came to pass, that when Peter was come in, Cornelius came to meet him, and falling at his feet adored. But Peter lifted him up, saying: Arise, I myself also am a man." The offense here is not just kneeling, but kneeling in adoration. They are not the same thing. One can kneel for many reasons, but worship is intentional and from the heart. Cornelius was worshiping Peter, and Peter told him to stop.
That veil separated the Holy of Holies in the Temple, but it was ripped - and know we have direct access to God through His Son Jesus Christ. We don't need a priest. We don't need a Temple.
Actually, the bible doesn't specify which of the two veils of the temple were torn. It may have been the one between the Holy and the Court of the Israelites, the one between the Holy and the Holy of Holies, or both. However, in any of the cases what is symbolized is not that there is no need of particular ministers, but rather that the separation between sinners and God has been torn down. In Mark the same word is used for torn both in this event and in describing the opening of the heavens during the Lord's baptism. The tearing of the veil is about the opening of heaven rather than ministry.
I didn't know Christ, because the Catholic church never told me about who He really was, and what salvation was all about. Now I do, and I am most grateful.
Of course the Catholic Church told you about who he really was. You just don't like what you heard. You said "this saying is hard, and who can hear it."
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
In fact, why didn't you respond to the question I put to you: do you believe we are saved by faith alone?
Sorry, I forgot to respond to this. We are saved by grace, though faith, as the scriptures say. We are not saved by faith alone as is clearly stated by St. James, Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?
Please explain again how you were a Catholic for thirty-five years but did not know that the people in the photo you posted were prostrating themselves before Christ given that the Ehcarist was present.
Please do not leave out the main part of 846 which states
you do understand the difference right, the salvtion comes from Christ? Where did Christ add through the Church?
A Catholic/Orthodox/Oriental would recognise this as saying Salvation (though coming FROM Christ ie through GRACE alone), also requires baptism, repentance, the Eucharist as WELL as faith.
Let's repeat a basic Bible lesson:
| 13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. |
So, you have consistently been repeating false information and when you have been told how wrong your statements are, you jump to another false statement
Why are you doing this? Acknowledge that you made the following errors:
Do not use the liberal tactics of shouting out wrong statements and then dodging when being told how wrong your statements are -- I don't blame you, but whoever led you away from the Church.
There are many wolves who pray on simple, believing yet undereducated Christians and feed them the above lies and many others.
The problem is that these wolves can only use the most basest, easily, provably false lies.
Do a little research and you will realise that all that you have been taught recently by those outside The Church about The Church is false --> Come home
Take it up with Jesus:
So, it's not faith ALONE.
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
So justified now means SAVED?
Justification is the conversion of a sinner from unrighteousness into a child of God. We could engage in polemics and debate whether it is an ongoing process or a onetime event, the necessity of sanctification, or detailed definitions of each concept and how various theological traditions view each differently. However, for the basic purpose of what James is discussing, to be justified is to be saved.
So, I guess it’ll boil down to what JESUS alledgedly said vs what James alledgely said.
Sorry, but I don’t follow your meaning. What do you think the Lord “allegedly” said, and what do you think St. James “allegedly” said, and how are they “allegedly” contradictory?
Some folks claim that these were uttered by the folks mentioned.
Oh, the folks. And they claimed things were said by folks who said things posted above. Why didn’t you just say so?
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