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Royal Wedding: Archbishop Backs William and Kate's Decision to Live Together Before Marriage
The Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | 4/29/11 | Tim Ross, Jonathan Wynne-Jones and Gordon Rayner

Posted on 04/30/2011 2:38:35 PM PDT by marshmallow

The Archbishop of York has given his backing to Prince William and Kate Middleton’s decision to live together before marriage.

The Archbishop of York backed Prince William and Kate Middleton’s decision to live together before marriage, saying that many modern couples want to “test the milk before they buy the cow”.

Dr John Sentamu argued that the royal couple’s public commitment to live their lives together today would be more important than their past.

But Anglican traditionalists criticised the Archbishop, the second most senior cleric in the Church of England, for failing to reinforce Christian teaching which prohibits sex outside marriage.

The row came as Prince William and Kate Middleton unveiled their choices for the royal wedding service, which include classically British music and hymns, and an updated choice of marriage vows in which the bride omits the word “obey”.

In a television interview, Dr Sentamu was asked whether it was appropriate for the Prince, who is in line to become head of the Church of England as King, to have been living with his bride before marriage.

He said he had conducted wedding services for “many cohabiting couples” during his time as a vicar in south London.

“We are living at a time where some people, as my daughter used to say, they want to test whether the milk is good before they buy the cow,” he said. “For some people that’s where their journeys are.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: anglican; archbishopofyork; churchofengland; cohabitation; royalwedding; sentamu
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To: LastNorwegian

Why buy the pig....ahhhh nevermind.


141 posted on 04/30/2011 7:40:17 PM PDT by proudtobeanamerican1 (A house divided against itself cannot stand.” Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Mr Rogers

Good news is that you can vote Obama out come next year.


142 posted on 04/30/2011 8:00:22 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

Sure hope so..what a disaster!


143 posted on 04/30/2011 8:05:54 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: Gabz

good for you and I wish you well, I really do and we’re going on 16 years too

thank you for making a post which is from experience and a happy one too, hope you and your family have a good and healthy future.


145 posted on 04/30/2011 8:56:34 PM PDT by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: vladimir998

but you feel the need to but in


146 posted on 04/30/2011 8:58:05 PM PDT by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: Aliska

beautiful post from your experience and heart, it’s late here but I will reply privately tomorrow if I have time if you dn’t mind.

I would love to carry this on but I’m so tired right now, so I’m sorry


147 posted on 04/30/2011 9:00:57 PM PDT by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: manc
Click here
Report: Cohabiting has little effect on marriage success
148 posted on 04/30/2011 9:04:34 PM PDT by magritte ("There are moments, Jeeves, when one asks oneself "Do trousers matter?")
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To: Little Bill

I’m 57 and just heard from a Relative about a couple of my Aunts and Uncles who beat a path to the Courthouse because there was a bun in the oven. That was over fifty years ago.

I wonder if a couple of my Cousins are privy to their interesting start in life.

It takes a while for all the skeletons to fall out of the closet, but they all eventually do. Human nature is a constant.


149 posted on 04/30/2011 9:12:40 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Natural Born Taxpayer on Board...)
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To: ladyjane

Pity the man that short changes a woman. LOL


150 posted on 04/30/2011 9:13:37 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Natural Born Taxpayer on Board...)
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To: Gabz

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151 posted on 04/30/2011 10:33:31 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Shemp was the Fourth Stooge of the Apocalypse.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Your right, but then again an 18 year old has about as much business marrying as I do commanding the space shuttle.

I disagree with the stereotype that 18 years old is too young to marry. I met my wife while we were both in High School (me 17, she 16). Within a year of dating I KNEW that I was going to marry her. Three years after meeting, she 19 and me 20, we married. We have been married for 25 years, we have three children and I have never had sex with anyone else, and I wouldn't want to do it over any differently.

The most confused single men I knew, were the ones who tried to live the philosophy of sleeping around awhile before settling down. If any of my children told me they wanted to get married at 18, I certainly wouldn't be against it because of the age. In fact, I think the sooner, the better.
152 posted on 04/30/2011 10:41:46 PM PDT by ScubieNuc
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To: Cicero
But it’s hardly a surprise from this gay-loving, Muslim-loving jerk who was chosen for his job by Tony Blair, who wanted someone who would normalize gay bishops.

You are getting your Anglican Archbishops confused.

The Primate of All England and the Primate of England are not the same person. And yes, they have been seen together.

They are easy to tell apart. Canterbury wears a black cassock and has a beard. York wears a red cassock and doesn't.

(And the main thing he has said about gay bishops is that youse Americans should stop appointing them)

153 posted on 04/30/2011 10:47:20 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: Oztrich Boy

So Canterbury is the one on the right? Wow, they could be twins!


154 posted on 04/30/2011 10:55:28 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Shemp was the Fourth Stooge of the Apocalypse.)
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To: Mr Rogers

shotgun, shovel, and a large backyard. LOL I spit out my soda when I read that.

In this case, and only this case, I can see why they lived together first. Remember, William saw the wicked press practically chase his mom right into the the casket. From everything I’ve read of William, he’s been very protective of his Kate, worried about her safety and well-being. It’s perfectly natural for him to want her to experience that kind of scrutiny for a long period of time, to ensure that she was able to tolerate that. Evidently, he told her she was “the one” way back in 2007 or so. I can find no evidence that he was simply using Kate (i.e. the cow/milk analogy). I don’t think he was taking a “test drive” of her body parts, so much as he was her sturdiness. That is normally where the criticism of shacking up comes from; it’s for a guy to take advantage of a gal and avoid the responsibility of marriage. This sounds to me more like he wanted to make sure she’d be willing to put up with the crap that would go along with being married to him.

OTOH, had Diana lived with Mr. Global Warming for a couple of years first, she might have realized that he never did cut off things with Cruella, and saved herself years of heartbreak.

I wish these two young people the best, in any event.


155 posted on 05/01/2011 2:22:41 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Salvation

The only one big concern I did have about the royal wedding that did take place was it would overshadow the making of blessed of John Paul II. But from after having viewed the vigil last night and the 30 minutes I got up to see the process of him being my blessed early this morning before going back to sleep, and with the thousands and thousands of people there, I realized this special event was not overshadowed in the least! Praise be to God!:)=^..^=


156 posted on 05/01/2011 4:09:38 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Melas

Thanks for your comments. My intent was to uphold the ideal of monogamous marriage as a lifelong commitment - with sexuality as a part of that union. Many strive for that despite earlier mistakes and failures. It is commendable that you did make the commitment to marry, and I wish you many more (hopefully happy) years together.


157 posted on 05/01/2011 7:08:52 AM PDT by tjd1454
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To: manc

you wrote:

“but you feel the need to but in”

You were ill-informed and asking for information. I gave it to you. If that’s butting in, then you’ll just have to deal with it.


158 posted on 05/01/2011 7:09:59 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Copts, Nazis, Franks and Beans - what a public school education puts in your head.)
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To: Aliska

Thanks for sharing your thoughts as to why so many appear to experience no guilt in engaging in behavior which traditionally has been considered improper or immoral - such as cohabitation and engaging in sexual relations before marriage.

I am reminded of the words of Jesus: “Man looks on the outward appearance, but God looks on the heart.” We can be very clever at disguising our true emotions, and superficially, one would get the impression that many people are not troubled by their behavior. But we don’t know what is going on inside. It’s like couples who seem to have the “perfect marriage” - until everyone is shocked to learn they are divorcing. We don’t know what goes on behind closed doors - or inside people’s hearts.

Actually, the ability to feel guilt is a normal response. The Bible speaks of those who have their “conscience seared” and who apparently have lost the ability to feel remorse for their sin. The souls of such are in mortal danger. If we feel regret for what we have done, there remains hope that we will respond to God’s forgiveness.

And this is the wonderful thing: there is always hope as long as we are willing to reach out to God, and He always has a “revised” Plan ready for those of us who have made a mess of Plan A, or Plan B - some of us are working on Plan X...

All the best.


159 posted on 05/01/2011 7:33:21 AM PDT by tjd1454
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To: vladimir998

LOL Deal with what, you , please my sides are spltting


160 posted on 05/01/2011 8:15:41 AM PDT by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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