[Colofornian]

From the column: Later, preaching in Parowan, Utah, Young turned to Lyman and before the audience, asked him if he had ever preached that Christ was not our Savior or that the atonement was unnecessary. Lyman looked the prophet in the eye, and told him no. Relieved by the news, Young continued his discourse...Young got his hands on a copy of Lyman’s Dundee, Scotland, speech and learned that indeed his apostle had denied Christ’s divinity and the need for atonement. That news, coupled with the magazine article, sparked Lyman’s downfall as an apostle. Young chastised Lyman, assuring him that Joseph Smith would have cast him out. He warned Lyman he was heading to Perdition, the Mormon hell. Chastised for a while, in 1867 Lyman wrote a groveling apology that was published in the Deseret News. However, within a few weeks, Lyman repudiated his confession and preached sermons on the irrelevance of Christ’s atonement.

(And here we thought the Mormons' "living prophet" would have discernment enough to know if an "apostle" of his was lying to his face...no...I guess he had to read about it in the newspaper...hence...why today's Lds general authorities need newspaper columns like this one -- and forums like FR -- so, they, too can become enlightened).

From the column: ...Lyman had abandoned his quiet life in Fillmore and become an enthusiastic missionary of spiritualism. Lyman became a missionary of the “New Movement” theological fad, which included atonement without salvation and participated regularly in seances. The inevitable occurred on May 12, 1870 — Amasa Mason Lyman was excommunicated from the Mormon Church. Although Lyman’s hope of a nationwide spiritualism “New Movement” fizzled out by 1873, by all accounts he was a happy peaceful apostate.

That's where you'd think Lyman's spiritual life ended..dying four years later. But, no. One of his sons became a Mormon apostle...and given, Mormon authorities' notorious abilities to claim post-death spiritual shenanigans, they manipulated post-death this apostate from that status to a "faithful apostle":

From the column: Lyman’s oldest son, Francis Marion, who became an apostle, suffered torment worrying about his father’s salvation. Apostle Abraham Cannon, in his journal entry of April 18, 1890, recounts Francis telling the other apostles of his efforts to bring the apostates from his family back to the gospel and his anguish over his father’s death and subsequent eternal judgment. The apostles, Cannon recounts, consoled Francis, saying that after paying a penalty, Amasa would be restored and “rewarded for his good deeds.” Indeed, those good deeds eventually earned at least LDS salvation for Amasa Mason Lyman. In 1909, when Joseph F. Smith was prophet and church leader, Amasa was vicariously reinstated to the priesthood and church membership.

Ah. The Mormon false gospel. That after-death destinations are primarily focused on a man's "good deeds" vs. mere trust in the grace of Christ's substitutionary atonement. (And, that all of this can be "awarded" post-humously by a man pretending to be a "prophet" on earth).

The columnist, a Mormon, Doug Gibson, had a curious end to the column: There is no record as to whether Lyman objected to the church’s forgiveness in a seance.

Say what? Is Gibson saying the Mormon church held an early 20th-century seance to communicated with the dead?

[svcw]

C on the link I am getting an error message but just reading the excerpt BY was a really disgusting individual.

[Vroomfondel]

Is Gibson saying the Mormon church held an early 20th-century seance to communicated with the dead?

No, he's saying there is no record that they did. And being a bit snarky about it.

[freedumb2003]

The link page of the cartoon is not found. Got a backup link handy?

[Aliska]

bump for later.

I was researching a relative who lived with and were friends with some Mormons. My gr gr uncle, I never knew what happened to him. I was doing a search and found a collection of letters in a library of Indiana written by the Mormon to the folks back home from CA where they had gone together in the 1849 gold rush.

The library would only let me have half, but I found in one of the Mormon's letters that he had heard of the death of my gr gr uncle, so I had a date within months but could never find where he died or had been buried.

Anyway, the Mormon it seems was a member of a breakaway sect called the Brewsterites. He describes having a visit from Lyman where they talked things over. So I looked up Lyman and saw that he was high in the Mormon SLC church and is credited with being one of or the founder of Santa Barbara, CA IIRC.

The visit took place in San Jose in about 1850.

[Emperor Palpatine]

[Graybeard58]

Indeed, those good deeds eventually earned at least LDS salvation for Amasa Mason Lyman.

Oh yeah, Lyman earned his salvation.

[svcw]

those good deeds eventually earned at least LDS salvation

Yep IE after all we can do.

I am grateful for the Grace of the Biblical Jesus who is sufficient to Save. I am saddened that the lds jesus is not sufficient, I can not fathom never living in assurance of Salvation.

[Elsie]

I love history!

Especially the little known facets of it!!!

[Colofornian]

From the article:...Lyman preached that Christ was only a moral reformer, and that MAN could REDEEM HIMSELF by correcting his errors. In short, Lyman denied the need for a savior.

You know, sometimes things don't change with Mormon apostles...here's an Lds "apostle" giving an address at BYU just over a century after this ex-communicated "apostle" died.

Lds "apostle" Jeffrey Holland, 1982: Pray earnestly and fast with purpose and devotion. Some difficulties, like devils, come not out “save by fasting and by prayer.” (See Matt. 17:21). Serve others. The heavenly paradox is that only in serving others can you SAVE YOURSELF.
Source: Lds publication Liahona Magazine, Jan. 1982 For times of trouble

More works-righteousness for Mormons. Mormons preaching you can save yourselves.

BTW, the apostle Paul told the churches:

For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. (1 Cor. 3:11)

Contrast that to what Lds "apostle" Holland says:

If you labor with faith in God and in yourself and in your future, you will have built upon a rock...

What? Holland says..."If you labor with faith...in yourself..." -- THAT is a "rock"????? Blasphemy! More Mormon idolatry!!!!