Where is Jesus Between His Death and Resurrection?

Archdiocese of Washington ^ | April 22, 2011 | Msgr. Charles Pope

[svcw]

God's being does not depend on man.

Yep.

[DelphiUser]

His words, not mine.

You keep trying to pick A fight, stop it.

Delph

[boatbums]

You are correct that it could have been Wednesday. One negative to a Wednesday crucifixion is: one Sabbath would be sunset Wed through sunset Thursday and the next sunset Friday through sunset Saturday. If Thursday (sunset) to Friday (sunset) were a ‘normal’ week day it seems that the women would have gone to the tomb then instead of early on the first day of the week.

We know that the soldiers went around breaking the legs of those crucified because it was the evening of the "preparation day". See:

John 19:39-42 (New International Reader's Version)

Nicodemus went with Joseph. He was the man who had earlier visited Jesus at night. Nicodemus brought some mixed spices, about 75 pounds. The two men took Jesus' body. They wrapped it in strips of linen cloth, along with the spices. That was the way the Jews buried people's bodies.

At the place where Jesus was crucified, there was a garden. A new tomb was there. No one had ever been put in it before. That day was the Jewish Preparation Day, and the tomb was nearby. So they placed Jesus there.

There was always a day of preparation prior to a Sabbath. This was because travel was not allowed on the Sabbath. So if the next day (Thursday) was the extra Sabbath due to Passover it would have been necessary to not have to be burying someone on that day. That is why it was expedient for Jesus to hurriedly be buried on Wednesday evening so that preparation for the Sabbath could be done. That takes care of Thursday, then Friday was a normal Preparation Day for the Saturday sabbath. That is why the women could not return to the tomb until Sunday. Good discussion, thanks.

[DelphiUser]

Oh Pul-ez!

Now you are going to slander dead people to try to pick a fight, this is pathetic.

Let me make this clear, I will not have a debate on a Catholic thread about Mormonism.

I hate it when people post about one thing and the thread becomes about another, and I won't do it.

I was there, I was not mocking, criticizing or in any way being disruptive. I tried to the best of my ability to fit in, which apparently I did a bit to well.

JFTR, I had the option of partaking in the communion since they thought I was Catholic, but I did not because that would have been disrespectful!

I have the highest respect for anyone who actually lives their religion. I would rather be friends with a non Mormon who lived his religion, than with a Mormon who did not and they could be doing the exact same things.

Nana, Your continued attempts to start a brawl on what should be a thread you hold sacred on a day you should hold sacred reveal you; and it's not pretty.

I will not debate Mormonism on a Catholic thread. If you really are a Catholic, you should be grateful that I feel that way.

Delph

[Tennessee Nana]

I hate it when people post about one thing and the thread becomes about another, and I won’t do it.
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ROFLMBO

[svcw]

Not picking a fight.
I do have a question however. How were you able to attend for a year?
When my son in law preached for the first time, I asked my lds aunt and uncle to come hear. My uncle told me he needed permission from his bishop to attend another church, it was not granted.

[DelphiUser]

I do have a question however. How were you able to attend for a year? When my son in law preached for the first time, I asked my lds aunt and uncle to come hear. My uncle told me he needed permission from his bishop to attend another church, it was not granted.

I have never heard of such a thing, My father was a bishop for most of my teen aged years, he would never have refused permission for someone to attend another church. He would have thought it strange that they asked him.

I suspect that your ant and uncle simply didn't want to say no, so they made it up. Not very good manners nor honest IMHO.

I attended several churches with my friends, several attended mine with me. Maybe it's a Midwest thing, it was totally normal, and it was expected that if you invited someone to church you would go when they asked you to come to theirs.

Again for the record, I attended, and graduated from a Buddhist monastery in Taiwan while on my mission. I did have to have my mission president's permission for that as I was an "official representative of the church". Permission was granted without hesitation.

Now, back to my question...

If Catholic teaching is that Judgment happens immediately upon death, except for people who died before Jesus was resurrected, why and what's the logic / source for that belief?

Just looking for an answer, not a fight. Thanks in advance.

Delph

[al_c]

We all know that when the women went to check before the sun rose on the first day of the week Christ was NOT in the tomb. So NO part of Sunday day can be 'counted' in the length of time He was in the tomb.

Really? Didn't the Jews at that time count sundown as the beginning of the next day? I'm sure if I'm mistaken about it, someone will correct me. Thanks for that.

[svcw]

Sorry I can't answer that I am not Catholic.
My uncles exact words were “I need to find out if we can come”. He called back about two hours later and said “we are not allowed to attend”. My uncle is a former bishop, I don't know if that makes a difference.

[DelphiUser]

It shouldn't; my dad attended with me at Methodist services whenever we went back to his home town (no Mormon church for over a hundred miles back then).

I always forgot to have some change for when they passed the plate. The last time I went, I gave my uncle a $50 and told him it was for all the times he'd put a couple of bucks in for me... He put it in the plate, LOL!

Thanks for reminding me of that, he died of Lou Gehrig's Disease a few years back, I miss him.

Delph

[Elsie]

Uh...,

Lightplanet makes SURE that IT has a big disclaimer on it’s website stating that it does NOT speak for the MORMON Religious Organization, Inc.

[Elsie]

John 3:18 !

[Tennessee Nana]

SVCW: My uncle told me he needed permission from his bishop to attend another church, it was not granted.

Deafi: I have never heard of such a thing,
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Well mormons get pretty angry if someone invites them to a Christian church

a mormon I worked with years ago was invited to church by a friend of mine...

The mormon was so mad at being asked that she destroyed my belongings, talked ugly behind my back to our coworkers and turned themn against me and demanded that our bosses fire me..

But isnt it amazing how when God will use the evil people intend for us for our good ???

The mormon was proslytizing heavily to our Methodist bosses...

giving them all kinds of books pamplets and info that even Hinckley didnt know was taught by the mormons...

It was all out there

When I wasnt fired and the bosses wouldnt recant their belief in the LORD Jesus Christ for Joey Smith and his mormon god,...

the morm on left in a huff...

My boss showed me all the books etc and told me about mormonism

and begged me never to join the cult...

I assured her I wouldnt...

and thats how I learned of Joey Smith and his adultery and mormonism the cult 43 years ago...

and the difference between Christianity and mormonism

and the lack of similiarities thereof...

Just because an angry nasty mormon was invited to attend a Christian Church...

Its a good thing for my friend that the mormon was not a Moslem...

With that amount of vengeful hatred and anger she and I would have been beheaded...

[Elsie]

As a WANNABE Mormonism apologist, the least you could do is read the posted material before trying to divert the thread to your LDS agenda.

Did you folks know that the LDS religious Organization, based in Salt Lake City, has an 80 acre vineyard?

You'd think that the CHURCH's vineyard could supply GRAPES for the 'communion' services it has, but, alas, it is decreed that WATER must be used instead.

Check it out!

http://lds.org/church/news/raisins-part-of-the-lords-work?lang=eng

[Elsie]

I have been told Catholic belief was judgment immediately upon death.

You should HEAR some of the things I'VE been told about MORMON 'beliefs'!!

And from MORMONs; too!

The 'official' MORMON writings tend to say things a LOT different than most MORMONs 'claim' to believe.

My problem, you ask?

It is this:

Believe what I am 'told',
or,
believe what I read?

[DelphiUser]

Nana, you have said so many things that were just unbelievable in the past, I'm just going to put this on the “stack” and let it Go. It's Easter for crying out loud!

JFTR this is from memory Hail Mary Full of grace pray for us sinners now and in the hour of our death...

I don't have photo evidence, never thought I'd need any. I attended, other friends of mine from church attended different churches, I've been to Buddhist marriages, funerals, Mormon marriages and funerals, A baptist marriage, and a couple of Methodist funerals. I have never asked permission, nor had a bit of trouble when I talked about it in church. I have had other Mormons, now that I live in Utah, be amazed that I was OK after going, they thought I would get lynched or something.

Whether or not you believe I am a Christian, we are all God's children and should treat each other as such.

Delph

[Elsie]

Christ's resurrection all are judged immediately upon death.

Oh?

Did this ONE priest speak for the RCC?

I'd would then like to know WHY these 'judged' folks have to slip back into their grave rotted bodies, to arise and meet Him in the air at the last trump?

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1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.

[Elsie]

I wish that more people would read the Catechism. It would reduce the number of nonCatholics in the world significantly.

O... K...

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1 Corinthians 4:1-4

This is how one should regard us, as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God. Moreover, it is required of stewards that they be found trustworthy. But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by any human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself. For I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God.

I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another. For who sees anything different in you?
What do you have that you did not receive?
If then you received it, why do you boast as if you did not receive it?

[Elsie]

I am not questioning the Catholic belief concerning prison.

Of COURSE not!

MORMONisn has made what IT thinks about Catholism QUITE plain!

(And you ARE a 'good' mormon; aren't you? Not one to be QUESTIONING what the POWERS have already decided; are you? Can't have that Spirit of APOSTACY lurking about; bedeviling you...)

[Elsie]

I just wanted to understand a doctrine from the Catholic perspective that seemed to contradict what I had learned previously.

Perhaps, while waiting, you could shed some light on something that Joseph Smith claimed to have 'learned':

"Mother; I have learned for myself that PRESBYTERIANism is UNTRUE."