Posted on 04/12/2011 10:17:57 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
It was one of the more searing allegations in the recent Philadelphia grand jury report on clergy sex abuse:
A Bristol Township man killed himself after the Archdiocese of Philadelphia refused to believe that a priest had molested him when he was an altar boy.
On Wednesday, relatives of the man, Daniel Neill, became the latest to sue the archdiocese over its response to abuse victims. Neill shot himself in June 2009.
"It's a wrongful death is what it is," said Jeff Anderson, a lawyer for Neill's family.
The grand jury cited the handling of Neill's complaint as one of three examples of the archdiocese's failure to act on complaints that seemed credible. The report identified Neill by the pseudonym "Ben."
That report has spawned criminal charges against four current or former priests, four lawsuits by alleged victims, and the suspension of more than two dozen priests while the church reexamines complaints against them.
One of those on administrative leave is the Rev. Joseph J. Gallagher, the priest Neill said had repeatedly molested him at St. Mark's in Bristol in 1980 and 1981.
According to the lawsuit, Neill reported the abuse to the school principal at St. Mark's in 1980, but his complaint was ignored. The principal instead allegedly "called Daniel a liar and threatened Daniel that his family would be disgraced if he persisted" with the accusations.
The lawsuit does not identify the principal by name.
Neill, a department store worker and aspiring actor who had bit parts on TV shows, reported the attacks to the archdiocese's victim-assistance program in 2007. It was the second complaint against Gallagher in about a year, according to the grand jury report.
Neill gave church investigators vivid details about the abuse and names of other altar boys, the grand jury found.
One told investigators that the priest had "improper relationships" with students but wouldn't elaborate, the grand jury said.
Others allegedly confirmed aspects of Neill's accounts - such as the priest's habit of hearing boys' confessions in a church loft and asking them about masturbation - although not the abuse itself.
When confronted by archdiocesan investigators, Gallagher at first denied the allegations, then became "more evasive" in his answers, according to the grand jury report.
An independent archdiocesan review board ruled that it could not substantiate the complaints. In July 2008, a victim-assistance coordinator told Neill of the decision.
Nobody is saying anything about COMMON foreign phrases.
Even the RM said if they’ve COMMON, they don’t need to be translated.
Beyond what is encountered by everyday people, what may be *common* for Catholics is not necessarily common for the rest of the world.
As I told you before, this came about because of exorcism prayers being posted IN LATIN to and against other FReepers BY CATHOLICS.
They made their bed, now they all have to lie in it.
If you disagree with the decision, take it up with the mods, not the people who are simply requesting that EVERYONE adhere to the RF guidelines. I have no doubt that if a non-Catholic posted something in a foreign language, that the Catholics would be equally quick to correct them as well, just as they do whenever their tender sensibilities get hurt and they ping the mods because they THINK someone might have perhaps made something personal.
let's take some common Latin phrases:
alea Jacta est
Non sequitor
cogito ergo sum
Cartegeo delenda jest
E pluribus unum
Semper Fidelis
Ipso facto
a fortiori
ab absurdo
ab extra
a bimo pectore
ab initio
ab urbe condita
ad hominem
ad hoc
ad infinitum
ad majoren Dei gloriam
ad nauseum
Anno domini
ante bellum
Ave imperator, morituri te salutant
Are these acceptable or not?
What of common english phrases or words?
acerbic
banal
burgeon
cogent
dilettante
facetious
erudite
elicit
impugn
irascible
juxtapose
lugubrious
mellifluous
cacophony
nebulous
obsequious
ostensible
pulchritude
pusillanimous
serendipity etc?
how does one arrive at "common", pray tell? Who arbitrates that? If one does not understand any of the above, what does one do? Search the dictionary or the internet, right?
I did not disagree with the decision at all. I don’t know why this is such a kerfuffle. I did thing Dies Irae was common enough that people could easily find a translation should they want one right away. I did plan on providing the English when I found a good one. There are several available. Before I had a chance to find one the mod requested the translation and told me of the rule. I by then had found a good translation and I posted it.
Now Quix seems to have a problem with posting of Latin by Catholics. Not just this bit of Latin but all Latin. I did not say it was against the rules to post such phrases nor did I assume so. I figured the rule referred to large excerpts of text. Not just for Latin but other foreign languages. Again Quix problem from what I can surmise is specifically with Latin posted by Catholics.
I made the mistake in postig Dies Irae of assuming a common Latin term and a text would be simple enough for people in that thread to find. I did not realize that Latin raised the spectre of evil Papism to such a degree.
My bad in forgetting if it is tainted at all by being associated with Catholicism it is bad, bad, bad.
If you Google Dies Irae you will get 2,060,000 hits. Hardly obscure.
Again I have no problem with the rule and I abided by them without hesitaton when they became known to me. I do have a problem with the over the top reaction by some over the use of Latin when no ill will was meant at all. I get why the Exorcism prayer was rightly protested.
Why Cronos, how vulgar.
mea culpa ;-P
I thought I had better repost the English so people can decide if there was something sinister done. Unless of course references to the Last Judgment and the dread of sinners is forbidden amongst some whose sect believes once saved always saved? I don’t even know if they are on this thread.
Die Irae (English translation)
THAT day of wrath, that dreadful day,
shall heaven and earth in ashes lay,
as David and the Sybil say.
What horror must invade the mind
when the approaching Judge shall find
and sift the deeds of all mankind!
The mighty trumpet’s wondrous tone
shall rend each tomb’s sepulchral stone
and summon all before the Throne.
Now death and nature with surprise
behold the trembling sinners rise
to meet the Judge’s searching eyes.
Then shall with universal dread
the Book of Consciences be read
to judge the lives of all the dead.
For now before the Judge severe
all hidden things must plain appear;
no crime can pass unpunished here.
O what shall I, so guilty plead?
and who for me will intercede?
when even Saints shall comfort need?
O King of dreadful majesty!
grace and mercy You grant free;
as Fount of Kindness, save me!
Recall, dear Jesus, for my sake
you did our suffering nature take
then do not now my soul forsake!
In weariness You sought for me,
and suffering upon the tree!
let not in vain such labor be.
O Judge of justice, hear, I pray,
for pity take my sins away
before the dreadful reckoning day.
You gracious face, O Lord, I seek;
deep shame and grief are on my cheek;
in sighs and tears my sorrows speak.
You Who did Mary’s guilt unbind,
and mercy for the robber find,
have filled with hope my anxious mind.
How worthless are my prayers I know,
yet, Lord forbid that I should go
into the fires of endless woe.
Divorced from the accursed band,
o make me with Your sheep to stand,
as child of grace, at Your right Hand.
When the doomed can no more flee
from the fires of misery
with the chosen call me.
Before You, humbled, Lord, I lie,
my heart like ashes, crushed and dry,
assist me when I die.
Full of tears and full of dread
is that day that wakes the dead,
calling all, with solemn blast
to be judged for all their past.
Lord, have mercy, Jesus blest,
grant them all Your Light and Rest. Amen.
Thomas Of Celano – Dies Irae – English Translation.
There is also a sect that believes “once shaved, always shaved” (Their KJV had a misprint). They go about ignoring their 3 foot long beards
Also, we have a group over here that believes not in baptism but in dedication. That is you take the baby and dedicate it to Zeus or whoever. They are pretty much against baptism for this reason — since baptism is in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Pax Tecum.
“Never did mockers waste more idle breath.”
They dedicate infants insted of Baptizing them because they believe Baptism is a sign of faith being an ordinance and not a Sacrament. They do Baptize in the Trinitarian forumla and such Baptisms are regarded as legit by us Catholics.
You know, it’s really a matter of that people should not have to go hunting on the internet for a translation of something. The person posting it should do it as a courtesy.
The same thing goes for posting Scripture references, by either side. Unless the passage is chapters long, post the verses for people to read. Not many people have the entire Bible memorized by verse.
And if it’s long chapters, providing an active working link to the verse will do.
Same can be said for someone making a statement of fact and then refusing to back it up but telling others to go look it up for themselves if they want to know. General FR courtesy is that if someone makes a claim, it is their responsibility to back it up, not for others to carry their water for them.
In each case, it’s just a matter of common courtesy.
And here we have a group that can't make a distinction between themselves and Islam:
“My brothers, when I think of this spiritual heritage (Islam) and the value it has for man and for society, its capacity of offering, particularly in the young, guidance for life, filing the gap left by materialism, and giving a reliable foundation to social and juridical organization, I wonder if it is not urgent, precisely today when Christians and Muslims have entered a new period of history, to recognize and develop the spiritual bonds that unite us, in order to preserve and promote together for the benefit of all men, ‘peace, liberty, social justice and moral values’ as the Council calls upon us to do (Nostra Aetate 3).John Paul II, address to the Catholic community of Ankara, Turkey, November 29, 1979
Wonder if this was before or after the old boy slobbered all over the Koran?
YUCK
“My brothers, when I think of this spiritual heritage (Islam) and the value it has for man and for society, its capacity of offering, particularly in the young, guidance for life, filing the gap left by materialism, and giving a reliable foundation to social and juridical organization, I wonder if it is not urgent, precisely today when Christians and Muslims have entered a new period of history, to recognize and develop the spiritual bonds that unite us, in order to preserve and promote together for the benefit of all men, ‘peace, liberty, social justice and moral values’ as the Council calls upon us to do (Nostra Aetate 3).
John Paul II, address to the Catholic community of Ankara, Turkey, November 29, 1979
Right from the horses mouth.
Looks like the Crusades were for naught in the long run, if the Catholic church is just going to roll over and play dead to islam.
Islam has won. That loss of life in the Crusades was for nothing if the Catholic church is just going to hand over the victory to the islamists now.
What a betrayal.
Just when you think you’ve heard it all from Catholicism.
Well it is obvious the Pope had zip-zero understanding of what Islam is...or else he was clearly deceived. Anybody even with a very limited understanding of islam would not make such a statement.
a bimo pectore.. this should read “a bimbo pectore” and means a female body builder with big muscles.
ad hominem.. part of the recipe where you add the hominy.
ante bellum..This is the easiest one, the wife of my uncle bellum.
Are these acceptable or not?..I dunno, this looks an awful lot like English to me!
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