CatholicTV calls for "Benevolent Dictatorship"?!

Above Top Secret ^ | 04-08-2011 | thedeadlyrhythm

[HarleyD]

This may be one of the more disturbing things I have ever seen. This video is shown to people, and even more frightening, many are likely inspired by it. This guy basically says that the problem with our country is that "everyone can vote", both ignorant know-nothings who only care about themselves(aka people who support abortion, gay marriage, etc), and informed people(aka people who agree with his/the organizations particular views)

and this is all presented in such a way as if it is incontrovertible. as if having an opinion that a woman has a right to choose or that homosexuality is someone's own business means you havent read a book in your life and are just saying that because you only care about your own "selfish interests".

and scariest of all, they actually use the words "Benevolent Dictatorship", where only those who agree with this guy's views are allowed to vote. true freedom. i think im gonna be sick

[Lorica]

That’s what happens when people make up their own rules and then accuse others of breaking them.

[Celtic Cross]

"God's Word IS/WAS/ALWAYS will be the absolute Final Authority"

And how, exactly, do you square that with cutting out how many books from the Bible? The 'apocryphal' books?

Hmm...Thought so.

[Alex Murphy]

See video at link: Benevolent Dictatorship

The YouTube-hosted video was originally the subject of this FR thread: Catholic Government [Michael Voris video]. The video itself has since been pulled from the RealCatholicTV YouTube channel, but copies exist elsewhere such as the one featured on this thread. So that there is no mistaking the message, I took the time to transcribe the entire video. Here's the complete text for the Michael Voris/RealCatholicTV video episode titled "Catholic Government", dated August 12, 2010:

Hello everyone, and welcome to "The Vortex", where lies and falsehoods are trapped and exposed. I'm Michael Voris.

There's an inherent problem with democracy. Actually, it's definitional. It's this: everyone gets to vote. That's right, EVERYONE gets to vote.

Consider for a moment: the informed get to vote, those who have studied the candidates and issues, and consider the impact not only on themselves but the society at large. But in addition to the informed, the ignorant get to vote as well, those who have studied nothing and don't care about anything except themselves and their own narrow interests.

Imagine the scene: two voters, walking into voting booths side-by-side. One casts a vote with an eye to improving society at large, by rolling back abortion, defending traditional marriage, or reducing government's ability to crush families with heavy taxation, etc. Such a voter casts his vote with an eye to the common good - the authentic common good, what's best for the culture as a whole. Right next to his is a voter who doesn't give a hoot about society at large. All he cares about is his own selfish interests: insuring abortion stays legal so he can have sex with no consequences, or have his decision to have sex with another man celebrated as a right. Such a voter exhibits little else than an adolescent preoccupation with self-absorption. Imagine, he actually gets to vote! What a country! What a system! And it is a system that will end in self-destruction.

The nature of man is to be self-absorbed. That is because our nature is fallen. It no longer looks at God. Rather, it looks into a mirror. In fact, it stares into the mirror, totally absorbed, and can think of little else. This is why, if we're going to insist on a system where we're going to elect leaders - if we're going to insist on that system - only virtuous people should be allowed to vote. Ruthless men and women who, knowing human nature very well, and thereby the means to control and manipulate it, hold great influence over the selfish masses. They connive and scheme their way to power by appealing to the most base level of human ignorance, namely, to a false sense of liberty. They class everything in terms of "rights": a "right" to marry your homosexual sex partner, a "right" to kill your child, a "right" to have others in society pay for your lack of effort, your desire for contraception, food, housing, medical services, education, clothes - anything that can be imagined. Such societal parasites will cast their votes in such a way that will only hasten the destruction of a nation. It's like a cancer destroying its host. It enjoys ravaging the body, until the body is dead.

The cancer must be eliminated, and the only way to prevent a democracy from committing suicide is to limit the vote to faithful Catholics. Only a true Catholic nation in fact will survive, can survive, because only truly Catholic people will be the ones looking at God & not staring in the mirror. When they cast their their votes, they cast them with an eye to what God desires, not fallen human nature. But as the body politic continues to be ravaged by the cancer of ignorant self-centered voters, it becomes more and more clear that a national euthanasia is occurring.

But in truth, this is really the way the whole idea of democracy is little less than an experiment doomed to failure from the outset. Eventually, the evil in the heart of man overtakes him, when he dismisses God. No, the only way to run a country is by benevolent dictatorship. A Catholic monarch, who protects his people from themselves, and bestows on them what they need, not necessarily what they want, who protects their rights as human beings. It was this political system that caused Europe to emerge from the morass of marauding barbarians and create Western Civilization. A noble Catholic monarch advances the common good while loving and caring for his people. If you think about it, this is exactly how the universe is governed, isn't it? "Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven."

God bless you, I'm Michael Voris.

On August 18, 2010, Voris posted a video titled Some Clarity, in which he backpedals furiously, apologizing profusely for more than a minute. He claims that the negative reaction to his (now pulled) pro-Monarchy message was the result of his bad explanation. He fully accepts the blame for his audience missing his larger point in the prior broadcast. He then presents a heavily re-written version of the previous (now-deleted) message, attempting to placate his American audience by avoiding discussion of specific courses of action, that democracies are "doomed from the start", that "the only way to run a country" is through a monarchy. Here are some excerpts (call it "Catholic Government 2.0"), where he talks specifically about democratic republics:

No matter what form of government a country has, the lives people will live under that government will depend on the quality of virtue: the virtue of the governed, and the virtue of the governing. In the case of a democracy or a democratic republic, where power is supposed to derive from the people, a lack of virtue on their part - the people's part - will lead to a government lacking virtue. It's the old adage that a nation gets the leaders it deserves....

....In our current system a lot of people, who don't care one lick about virtue, have a say in who rules over all of us. As Catholics, what should our response be to that? Well, we can either discuss changing the system completely, which would be monumental because there is no clear path to do that, or we can talk about fixing the current system, which means making at least a majority of the population realize the value of virtue. That is also a monumental task, but there is a slightly more clear path to that. It's called evangelization, and the only way that's going to happen is if Catholics, virtuous Catholics, get out there and start making it happen. Now if that fails, well, who knows?

[Gamecock]

The cancer must be eliminated, and the only way to prevent a democracy from committing suicide is to limit the vote to faithful Catholics.

The reason for Roman Catholic hatred of Calvinism becomes oh so clear when one considers such quotes compared to the content of the following threads

July 4th -- Happy "Presbyterian Rebellion" Day!
John Calvin: Religious liberty and Political liberty
Calvin's 500th Birthday Celebrated: Critics and Supporters Agree He was America's Founding Father
AMERICA AND JOHN CALVIN

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[Quix]

No end of such hideousness, it seems.

[the_conscience]

The nature of man is to be self-absorbed. That is because our nature is fallen. It no longer looks at God. Rather, it looks into a mirror. In fact, it stares into the mirror, totally absorbed, and can think of little else. This is why, if we're going to insist on a system where we're going to elect leaders - if we're going to insist on that system - only virtuous people should be allowed to vote.

lol. If all men are fallen where does one find the virtuous?

Poor deluded fool.

[metmom]

The cancer must be eliminated, and the only way to prevent a democracy from committing suicide is to limit the vote to faithful Catholics.

After seeing the behavior and language of your average faithful FRoman Catholic, heaven help us if they get elected in larger numbers.

Such examples of Christian charity and piety lately.

Not to mention all those faithful Catholic politicians that the church has disciplined done nothing about. Think JFK, Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Gillibrand, Shumer, Pelosi, etc.

Why, we'd have legalized same sex marriages and unrestricted abortion on demand paid for by your friendly, bankrupt, corrupt, government healthcare system.

[metmom]

The nature of man is to be self-absorbed. That is because our nature is fallen. It no longer looks at God. Rather, it looks into a mirror. In fact, it stares into the mirror, totally absorbed, and can think of little else. This is why, if we're going to insist on a system where we're going to elect leaders - if we're going to insist on that system - only virtuous people should be allowed to vote.

And just who gets to decide who's *virtuous*?

Him?

The Catholic church?

Would they decide that only Catholics can truly be virtuous, therefore eligible to vote?

How convenient.

[Alex Murphy]

After seeing the behavior and language of your average faithful FRoman Catholic, heaven help us if they get elected in larger numbers.

2008 Presidential Election demographics, footnoted and annotated
Your "by the numbers" breakdown of the 2008 vote, with emphasis on the Catholic voter (as of 04/07/09):

55% McCain, 43% Obama - Weekly mass-attending Catholics ^6,9
52% McCain, 47% Obama - White "regular-mass-attending" Catholics¹²
52% McCain, 47% Obama - White Catholic¹⁴
51% McCain, 49% Obama - White Catholics^1,7,11
45% McCain, 54% Obama - Catholics^{1,4,6,8,9,10,11,12}
45% McCain, 54% Obama - Catholic¹⁴
37% McCain, 61% Obama - Non-weekly-mass-attending Catholics^6,12
xx% McCain, 67% Obama - Hispanic Catholics^8,11**,***, ****

** No source provided voting percentages for the other party.
*** Associated Press (citation #11) reports this number as 72%, instead of the 67% other media gave it.
**** Note that some media are reporting the same numbers for the Hispanic and Black vote in general, as well as for those same groups with Catholic or Protestant affiliation.
Citations:
¹ The Awesome Blue God -- How Obama Forged A New Faith Coalition
⁴ Obama's Religious Appeal: Still Missing Evangelicals - which TIME renamed as Obama: Bringing (Some) Evangelicals In
⁶ What's wrong with Catholic voters? What's wrong with Catholics?
⁷ Evangelical Voters Favor McCain by Wide Margins
⁸ Catholic voters heavily favored Obama, analysis shows
⁹ What Happened to the Catholic Vote?
¹⁰ Loyal to the End: Evangelicals Stay the Course
¹¹ Obama results show gains in key religious voters
¹² How the faithful voted
¹⁴ Pew Forum - How The Faithful Voted

All numbers cited above are the earliest ones reported in the press. In cases of multiple reports, some percentages cited were not exact. However, the numbers above are within 2% of all sources cited, lending credence to the general number & placement overall.

Other resources:
With the Help of Catholics…Obama’s Victory
Results! Evangelicals
Mainline Protestants and Latino evangelicals surge toward Obama [pre-election article]
Poll: Latino Protestants switching back to Democrats this election [pre-election article]
The Hispanic Protestant swing vote [pre-election article]
America spoke
Believers in the Pews--and the Polling Booth
McCain Beats Bush on Evangelical Vote

[Natural Law]

"There's an inherent problem with democracy."

This entire anti-Catholic diatribe only makes sense in the context of those who are either too intellectually lazy, intellectually dishonest, or too intellectually incapable of comprehending the difference between a democracy and a constitutional republic. Democracies are indeed inherently evil and transitional.

[Alamo-Girl]

This entire anti-Catholic diatribe only makes sense in the context of those who are either too intellectually lazy, intellectually dishonest, or too intellectually incapable of comprehending the difference between a democracy and a constitutional republic. Democracies are indeed inherently evil and transitional.

Er, he proposes neither a democracy nor a constitutional republic but rather a benevolent Catholic dictatorship:

No, the only way to run a country is by benevolent dictatorship. A Catholic monarch, who protects his people from themselves, and bestows on them what they need, not necessarily what they want, who protects their rights as human beings. It was this political system that caused Europe to emerge from the morass of marauding barbarians and create Western Civilization. A noble Catholic monarch advances the common good while loving and caring for his people. If you think about it, this is exactly how the universe is governed, isn't it? "Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven."

To which I would reply that only One is capable of such perfection. And He will make it so:

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. - Revelation 19:15-16

God's Name is I AM.

[Quix]

ABSOLUTELY INDEED.

The arrogance of flawed mortal man knows no bounds . . . and persistently inflates, descends into tyranny, devilish tyranny.

‘Intentions’ and ‘fine breeding’ . . . even education . . . do NOT solve the problem.

[Alamo-Girl]

As the old saying goes, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."

Thank you for your encouragements, dear brother in Christ!

[Clemenza]

Corporatavism, aka the Third Position has been the economic doctrine preferred by the RCC since Rerum Novarum.

[Quix]

INDEED.

& LIKEWISE, DEAR SIS.

[Alex Murphy]

The arrogance of flawed mortal man knows no bounds . . . and persistently inflates, descends into tyranny, devilish tyranny.

Indeed - which is IMO why a functional, constitutional representative republic is the best form of government over any country, at any time in history. In design, it restrains mens' fallen natures. May God have mercy on the United States of America, when monarchism and dictatorships (benevolent or not) are being pushed by Catholic "conservatives".

The pastor at the church I attended Sunday in Grand Rapids briefly talked about how the doctrine of sola scriptura (scripture alone) is directly related to the ideas and concept of the American Constitution. While Protestants interpret scripture through Christian tradition, for the reformers scripture trumps the decrees and councils of men. Likewise, for the American Founders at least, the U.S. Constitution is above any human official, elected or not.

Luther’s doctrine of “the priesthood of all believers” also heavily influenced the emergence of representative democracy. In addition, the Presbyterian style of church government further set the stage for individual rights and liberties. Responsibility for the governance of the church is not just for the clergy , but laity as well. This model of church government, where elders serve as leaders can be contrasted with the episcopal style of church government, which better reflects a monarchy. King James I of Great Britain rightly predicted, “If bishops go, so will the king.” At its very heart, it expresses a belief that humans in their depravity cannot set themselves above the law of God, no matter their office.
-- from the thread Reformation Faith & Representative Democracy

Related threads:
July 4th -- Happy "Presbyterian Rebellion" Day!
Sources of American Federalism: Founders, Reformers & Ancient Hebrews
America’s Constitutional Foundation of Biblical Covenant

[Natural Law]

"Er, he proposes neither a democracy nor a constitutional republic but rather a benevolent Catholic dictatorship"

I was referring to the defense of democracy spread used as a thinly veiled assault on Catholicism. This is particularly in light of the constant defense of the "Enlightened Absolutism" that was the hell hole of Calvin's Geneva.

Every Catholic I know prefers a constitutional republic to protect the individual rights given us by God. "It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery." (Gal 5:1)

Given the choice between the transitional soft tyranny of secular democracy and a benevolent Catholic dictatorship I will choose the later.

[Quix]

THX

WELL PUT.

MUCH AGREE.

[Quix]

Seems to me,

the tones, word choices, attitudes of dictatorship

tends to reek from posts above your screen name.

Must be a coincidence.