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The Biblical Jesus vs. the Book of Mormon Jesus
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Posted on 04/04/2011 10:36:55 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

The Biblical Jesus vs. the Book of Mormon Jesus
(From a post on exmormon.org)

Special thanks to who ever posted this originally (sorry I forgot your name) and aknowledgement to Gordon Hinckley who said "we worship a different Christ".


LDS members believe that they are singularly blessed with a record of the earthly ministry of Jesus from his life in Palestine, his visit to the Spirit World, and his visit to the Americas. Yet, a chronological reading of the story of Jesus’ last week in Palestine to his ministry in the America, using LDS scripture, leaves one puzzled as to the very nature and character of Jesus.

I. Palestine

During the last days of Jesus’ life in Palestine, he entered triumphantly into Jerusalem, healed the sick, instituted the Holy Supper with the apostles, suffered greatly in Gethsemane, was judged and mocked, and then was crucified among common thieves.

In Palestine, Jesus is recorded as being meek and forgiving.

In Luke 22:32, Jesus tells Simon Peter that he is praying for Peter to be strengthened knowing that Peter will betray him three times before sunrise.

Also in Luke chapter 22, Jesus is told of going to Gethsemane and gently rebuking the disciples for following asleep during his personal agony and ordeal.

When Jesus leaves Gethsemane, one of the disciples uses a sword and cuts off the ear of the servant of the high priest. “And Jesus answered and said, ‘Suffer ye thus far.’ And he touched his ear, and healed him.” (Luke 22:51)

Jesus is ridiculed and spat upon. During the night, Peter, as forecasted, betrays Jesus three times. In response Jesus turns his head and looks at Peter, causing Peter to weep bitterly.

Herod, having heard of Jesus’ miracles, mocks him by allowing his men to dress Jesus in a robe before returning the prisoner to Pilate.

Pilate finding no wrong in Jesus, appealed to the crowd gathered who called for his crucifixion. During these acts of vulgarity and ridicule, Jesus is recorded as being passive and submissive.

On the cross at Golgotha, Jesus was placed between two thieves. During the dying process, Jesus is recorded as saying: “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.”

Upon hearing Jesus plead for forgiveness, the rulers around him scorned him: “He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.”

The rulers’ outburst caused the soldiers to add a final insult by placing a wooden placard on the cross above Jesus reading “THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.”

Even the two thieves asked Jesus why he didn’t use his supernatural powers to free himself. As a response, Jesus rebuked one’s disbelief, but then informed that they would be with him in paradise.

The New Testament stories demonstrate a person of quiet dignity, meekness and forgiveness.

II. The Spirit World

According to LDS scripture, immediately upon Jesus’ death, his spirit left his body and ascended to the Spirit World. Jesus begins to metamorphose.

While in Palestine, Jesus preached among the sinners and outcasts.

Yet Mormon prophet Joseph F. Smith saw Jesus’ recently departed spirit go “not in person among the wicked and the disobedient” but to the righteous, such as Adam, Eve, many of Eve’s faithful daughters (apparently names weren’t provided), Abel, Seth, Noah, Shem, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Elias, Malachi, and many more, even the prophets who dwelt among the Nephites. (D&C 138:29, 38-49).

After a visit back to Jerusalem, Jesus became resurrected meaning that his spirit reentered his body. He spent some time teaching his disciples.

III. The Americas

Meanwhile, in the Americas, a different stage has been set. Immediately upon the crucifixion of Jesus, tempests, earthquakes, fires, whirlwinds, and physical upheavals rage for three hours.
The Book of Mormon tells: The city of Zarahemla was set on fire; the city of Moroni sunk into the depths of the sea, and the inhabitants were drowned; the earth was carried up upon the city of Moronihah; and many great and notable cities were sunk, and many were burned, and many were shaken till the buildings thereof had fallen to the earth, and the inhabitants thereof were slain, and the places were left desolate; And there were some cities which remained; but the damage thereof was exceedingly great, and there were many in them who were slain.

The destruction was followed by darkness upon the face of the land and there was great mourning and howling and weeping among all the people.

(3 Nephi 8).

Who caused this massive destruction and death? The survivors would immediately know the culprit in the form a Voice.

The Voice chides America’ inhabitants proclaiming:

“Behold, that great city Zarahemla have I burned with fire, and the inhabitants thereof. And behold, that great city Moroni have I caused to be sunk in the depths of the sea, and the inhabitants thereof to be drowned. And behold, that great city Moronihah have I covered with earth, and the inhabitants thereof, “

“And behold, the city of Gilgal have I caused to be sunk, and the inhabitants thereof to be buried up in the depths of the earth:

And building momentum, the Voice continues:

“Yea, and the city of Onihah and the inhabitants thereof, and the city of Mocum and the inhabitants thereof, and the city of Jerusalem [the America city, not the one in Palestine, he left that one alone] and the inhabitants thereof.”

“And behold, the city of Gadiandi, and the city of Gadiomnah, and the city of Jacob, and the city of Gimgimno, all these have I caused to be sunk, and made hills and valleys in the places thereof; and the inhabitants thereof have I buried up in the depths of the earth.”

“And behold, that great city Jacobugath, which was inhabited by the people of king Jacob, have I caused to be burned with fire.”

“And behold, the city of Laman, and the city of Josh, and the city of Gad, and the city of Kishkumen, have I caused to be burned with fire”

(3 Nephi 9: 2-10)

After itemizing his destructions, the Voice tells the people the name of their Destroyer:

“Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God.”

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Yes, that Jesus who only a short time earlier restored a severed ear, forgave the ignorant, the crucifers, and the non-believers - all of whom had witnessed or knew of his miracles while Jesus preached among them for some three years.

Jesus, the man who had spared those in Palestine who had personally rejected him, mocked him and crucified him, tells those in America:

(3 Nephi 19:35)

“‘So great faith have I never seen among all the Jews; wherefore I could not show unto them so great miracles, because of their unbelief.’”



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To: maine-iac7
ahahaha - Jesus taught in simple words - he didn’t need to tie them into pretzels to try to make them fit.

So very, VERY true!


Chapter 8

Lehi sees a vision of the tree of life—He partakes of its fruit and desires his family to do likewise—He sees a rod of iron, a strait and narrow path, and the mists of darkness that enshroud men—Sariah, Nephi, and Sam partake of the fruit, but Laman and Lemuel refuse. About 600–592 B.C.

 1 And it came to pass that we had gathered together all manner of aseeds of every kind, both of grain of every kind, and also of the seeds of fruit of every kind.

 2 And it came to pass that while my father tarried in the wilderness he spake unto us, saying: Behold, I have adreamed a dream; or, in other words, I have bseen a cvision.

 3 And behold, because of the thing which I have seen, I have reason to rejoice in the Lord because of aNephi and also of Sam; for I have reason to suppose that they, and also many of their seed, will be saved.

 4 But behold, aLaman and Lemuel, I fear exceedingly because of you; for behold, methought I saw in my dream, a dark and dreary wilderness.

 5 And it came to pass that I saw a aman, and he was dressed in a white brobe; and he came and stood before me.

 6 And it came to pass that he spake unto me, and bade me follow him.

 7 And it came to pass that as I followed him I beheld myself that I was in a dark and dreary waste.

 8 And after I had traveled for the space of many hours in darkness, I began to pray unto the Lord that he would have amercy on me, according to the multitude of his tender mercies.

 9 And it came to pass after I had prayed unto the Lord I beheld a large and spacious afield.

 10 And it came to pass that I beheld a atree, whose bfruit was desirable to make one chappy.

 11 And it came to pass that I did go forth and partake of the afruit thereof; and I beheld that it was most sweet, above all that I ever before tasted. Yea, and I beheld that the fruit thereof was white, to exceed all the bwhiteness that I had ever seen.

 12 And as I partook of the fruit thereof it filled my soul with exceedingly great ajoy; wherefore, I began to be bdesirous that my family should partake of it also; for I knew that it was cdesirable above all other fruit.

 13 And as I cast my eyes round about, that perhaps I might discover my family also, I beheld a ariver of water; and it ran along, and it was near the tree of which I was partaking the fruit.

 14 And I looked to behold from whence it came; and I saw the head thereof a little way off; and at the head thereof I beheld your mother Sariah, and Sam, and aNephi; and they stood as if they knew not whither they should go.

 15 And it came to pass that I beckoned unto them; and I also did say unto them with a loud voice that they should come unto me, and partake of the fruit, which was desirable above all other fruit.

 16 And it came to pass that they did come unto me and partake of the fruit also.

 17 And it came to pass that I was desirous that Laman and Lemuel should come and partake of the fruit also; wherefore, I cast mine eyes towards the head of the river, that perhaps I might see them.

 18 And it came to pass that I saw them, but they would anot come unto me and partake of the fruit.

 19 And I beheld a arod of iron, and it extended along the bank of the river, and led to the tree by which I stood.

 20 And I also beheld a astrait and narrow path, which came along by the rod of iron, even to the tree by which I stood; and it also led by the head of the fountain, unto a large and spacious field, as if it had been a bworld.

 21 And I saw numberless concourses of people, many of whom were apressing forward, that they might obtain the bpath which led unto the tree by which I stood.

 22 And it came to pass that they did come forth, and commence in the path which led to the tree.

 23 And it came to pass that there arose a amist of darkness; yea, even an exceedingly great mist of darkness, insomuch that they who had commenced in the path did lose their way, that they wandered off and were blost.

 24 And it came to pass that I beheld others pressing forward, and they came forth and caught hold of the end of the rod of iron; and they did press forward through the mist of darkness, aclinging to the rod of iron, even until they did come forth and partake of the bfruit of the tree.

 25 And after they had partaken of the fruit of the tree they did cast their eyes about as if they were aashamed.

 26 And I also cast my eyes round about, and beheld, on the aother side of the river of water, a great and bspacious building; and it stood as it were in the cair, high above the earth.

 27 And it was filled with people, both old and young, both male and female; and their manner of dress was exceedingly fine; and they were in the aattitude of bmocking and pointing their fingers towards those who had come at and were partaking of the fruit.

 28 And after they had atasted of the fruit they were bashamed, because of those that were cscoffing at them; and they dfell away into forbidden paths and were lost.

 29 And now I, Nephi, do not speak aall the words of my father.

 30 But, to be short in writing, behold, he saw other multitudes pressing forward; and they came and caught hold of the end of the arod of iron; and they did press their way forward, continually holding fast to the rod of iron, until they came forth and fell down and partook of the fruit of the tree.

 31 And he also saw other amultitudes feeling their way towards that great and spacious building.

 32 And it came to pass that many were drowned in the adepths of the bfountain; and many were lost from his view, wandering in strange roads.

 33 And great was the multitude that did enter into that strange building. And after they did enter into that building they did point the finger of ascorn at me and those that were partaking of the fruit also; but we heeded them not.

 34 These are the words of my father: For as many as aheeded them, had fallen away.

 35 And aLaman and Lemuel partook not of the fruit, said my father.

 36 And it came to pass after my father had spoken all the words of his dream or vision, which were many, he said unto us, because of these things which he saw in a vision, he exceedingly feared for Laman and Lemuel; yea, he feared lest they should be cast off from the presence of the Lord.

 37 And he did aexhort them then with all the feeling of a tender parent, that they would hearken to his words, that perhaps the Lord would be merciful to them, and not cast them off; yea, my father did preach unto them.

 38 And after he had preached unto them, and also prophesied unto them of many things, he bade them to keep the commandments of the Lord; and he did cease speaking unto them.



81 posted on 04/04/2011 5:52:12 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Would that be sulfur?
82 posted on 04/04/2011 5:52:26 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: svcw
You are correct Jesus spoke simply, so simply that it apparently went swooosh right over your head.

John 6:28-29 (niv)

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”


83 posted on 04/04/2011 5:57:36 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: svcw

could BE!


84 posted on 04/04/2011 5:59:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

85 posted on 04/04/2011 7:21:10 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Elsie
Elsie, dear - I don't have time nor inclination to read your posts after posts after posts after posts....especially since we all know what they will contain.

You might consider getting another profession other than Mormon Bashing. It doesn't pay well - nor does it play well.

Jesus admonishes us, above all, to love. Turn from hate.

I shan't ever respond to your sad posts again. Wish you well.

86 posted on 04/04/2011 8:07:33 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: maine-iac7

Show the hate. Just one example. You made the charge, show it.


87 posted on 04/04/2011 8:34:16 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: maine-iac7

“Elsie, dear - I don’t have time nor inclination to read your posts after posts after posts after posts....especially since we all know what they will contain.”

But then, just up thread it was too much work for you to read more than one verse about judgment...

Is it possible you just don’t like to work very hard?


88 posted on 04/04/2011 8:54:56 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: maine-iac7

I see it has already been explained to you that people aren’t “bashing” Mormons, they are proclaiming what Christ and the Bible says (Christianity) and how MormonISM (the doctrine of Mormons) doesn’t agree with that.

Many have said on here how individual Mormons are nice, patriotic, hard working people, but nice, hard working people don’t make a belief system Christian. What makes something Christian is if it agrees with Christ and what is detailed in the Bible (New Testament specifically).

Standing for Christ and what Christianity is about is about Love, not hate. If Christians really hated you, then they would let you be ignorant in your sins and confusion and let your soul be forever separated from God when you die. Instead, people love you so much to attempt to show you the errors of your way.

Read or don’t read the posts of those who point out the errors of Mormonism, but ultimately it will be your choice on which Christ will judge you on.


89 posted on 04/04/2011 10:22:39 PM PDT by ScubieNuc
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To: greyfoxx39

The article should have been written, “The messiah ben David vs Jesus and the Mormon Jesus”.


90 posted on 04/04/2011 10:55:28 PM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: ScubieNuc

OH YES THE LOVE AN MERCY,


91 posted on 04/05/2011 2:41:56 AM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: ScubieNuc

OH YES THE LOVE AN MERCY,


92 posted on 04/05/2011 2:42:00 AM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: maine-iac7
(James 2:14-26 KJV) {14}What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

Posting Biblical passages out of context is a sure way to get a response...like this one.

The New Testament is a clear revelation that we are justified by faith, not by works. After all, it's our faith that honors Christ's death on the cross. Our faith in Him as our Savior is our salvation. Then, what of works? What James is saying here (in context) is that our faith leads to our works. One's faith justifies our salvation. Our works are an outward extension emanating from our faith.

So, yes, a man can be saved by faith. But the entire package is faith, and the works that come naturally from that faith.

Got it?

93 posted on 04/05/2011 4:24:14 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: maine-iac7
Elsie, dear - I don't have time nor inclination to read your posts after posts after posts after posts....especially since we all know what they will contain.

What!?

You don't like reading things from and about the Great LDS Religious Organization?

Oh! I see; a Great Mindreader such as yourself must have HIGHER agenda which must be attended to.

94 posted on 04/05/2011 4:48:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: maine-iac7
I shan't ever respond to your sad posts again. Wish you well.

So? PD never took the time to respond either. He was a one trick pony as well.

Not to worry though.

If you or another MORMON posts something untrue or devious or misleading or non-BIBLICAL, you can be sure that I, or one of the other FR FIs will set the record straight.


I do so appreciate your attempts to chastize me into better behaviour - LORD knows that I get out of line a lot - but lies, especially DAMNED LIES! get me a bit CRANKY!

I know what you've said here,

Jesus admonishes us, above all, to love.

sounds SO good; but that ONLY comes AFTER what John wrote that Jesus said:

"...believe on the one He sent..."

If someone believes on the one He did NOT send...

...well...

95 posted on 04/05/2011 4:58:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: svcw
Es; do you NOT still GET IT??

We only have to ACCUSE you, to fulfill our command to CONFOUND OUR ENEMIES!

It's working purty well; don't you think? ;^)

96 posted on 04/05/2011 5:02:08 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: bcsco
Got it?

It appears not.

When one is so ingrained into WORKING so hard 'for the CHURCH', it just naturally spills out into other areas of life.

Matthew 12:34

97 posted on 04/05/2011 5:05:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

I just LOVE the above verse!

I so shows the true LOVE of JESUS!!

The LOVE He has for highly religious people!!!


98 posted on 04/05/2011 5:08:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
I just LOVE the above verse!

Mat 12:34 Ye offspring of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

99 posted on 04/05/2011 5:11:24 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: Elsie

100 posted on 04/05/2011 5:40:58 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the Inman FReepers Meet July 23 Pray Jim Rob Can Make It)
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