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Doctrine and Covenants section 132 STILL official LDS Scripture

Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26–27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

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Disclaimer: I am former LDS and "anti" mormonism. I post articles from official mormon sources among others, that often relate to current discussions taking place on the forum to provide a means for open discussion in the Religion forum. In light of continual articles being posted that are in nature, propaganda for the LDS church this article is posted to shed light on the truthful nature of the foundation of the mormon church and on its founder, Joseph Smith.

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“When the family organization was revealed from heaven . . . “

Please, there’s nothing from heaven for the LDS . . . Joe Smith, Jr., was a fraud from the beginning and is leading millions of people to hell by these ramblings.

Just look up “KOLOB” in Google to see what nonsense he came up with along with hundreds of other incredibly ridiculous pronouncements. His best one was that he, Joe Smith, Jr., will sit next to Jesus Christ to determine if we go to heaven or hell.

That alone should be enough for anyone with any sense to return to Christianity and ask forgiveness from Jesus for having believed this heathen. It’s a shame that anyone with any knowledge of this guy’s background would believe anything he said.

Joe Smith was not only a horndog and false prophet, but also a scammer who tried to
convince others he could find treasure buried under the ground. The following court testimony
shows his character:

"Josiah Stowell, a Mormonite, being sworn, testified that he positively knew that said Smith never had lied to, or deceived him, and did not believe he ever tried to deceive any body else. The following questions were then asked him, to which he made the replies annexed.
Did Smith ever tell you there was money hid in a certain glass which he mentioned?
Yes.
Did he tell you, you could find it by digging?
Yes.
Did you dig?
Yes.
Did you find any money?
No.
Did he not lie to you then, and deceive you?
No! the money was there, but we did not get quite to it!
How do you know it was there?
Smith said it was!
Addison Austin was next called upon, who testified, that at the very same time that Stowell was digging for money, he, Austin, was in company with said Smith alone, and asked him to tell him honestly whether he could see this money or not.

Smith hesitated some time, but finally replied, "to be candid, between you and me, I cannot, any more than you or any body else; but any way to get a living."
Here, then, we have his own confession, that he was a vile, dishonest impostor.
As regards the testimony of Josiah Stowell, it needs no comment. He swears positively that Smith did not lie to him. So much for a Mormon witness."
http://olivercowdery.com/smithhome/1877Purp.htm

Today, on FreeRepublic, you can see the same blind belief that exists despite the facts, evidence and logic that shows Joe Smith to be a fraud.

I am going to vomit!

John Taylor's Wife, Leonora "The Prophet went to the home of President Taylor, and said to him, 'Brother John, I WANT LEONORA.'"

That reminds me of that old joke.... "Take my wife, please" - by Henny Youngman

Nice to see old Jim Harmston my high school classmate has made the chart. He didn’t come to the 50 year reunion last year. Could have been a fun day had he shown up.

One of my high school sweethearts married a Kingston last year. I asked her if she knew they were all polygs. Gave me the weirdest look.

More evidence, sworn in a court of law, of the low character of Joseph Smith - and the roots of his golden plates scam.

TESTIMONY OF PETER INGERSOLL.

Palmyra, Wayne Co., N. Y. 1833.

In the month of August, 1827, I was hired by Joseph Smith, jr. to go to Pennsylvania, to move his wife's household furniture up to Manchester, where his wife then was. -- His father-in-law (Mr. Hale,) addressed Joseph, in a flood of tears: -- "You have stolen my daughter, and married her. I had much rather have followed her to her grave. You spend your time in digging for money, pretend to see in a stone, and thus try to deceive people." Joseph wept, and acknowledged he could not see in a stone now, nor never could. He then promised to give up his old habits of digging for money and looking into stones.

One day, Joseph came to me. "Yesterday," said he, I found, in a hollow, some beautiful white sand. I took off my frock, and tied up several quarts of it, and then went home. The family were all anxious to know the contents of my frock. At that moment, I happened to think of what I had heard about a history found in Canada, called the Golden Bible. So I very gravely told them it was the Golden Bible. To my surprise, they were credulous enough to believe what I said. Accordingly I told them that I had received a commandment to let no one see it. And now, said Jo, I have got the damned fools fixed, and will carry out the fun.

In the fall of 1827, Joseph wanted to go to Pennsylvania. He was out of money. He went to Palmyra. Said he, "I there met that damned fool, Martin Harris, and told him that I had a command to ask the first honest man I met with, for fifty dollars. He promptly gave me the fifty."

Sworn before Thos. P. Baldwin, Judge of Wayne Co. Court.

Any politician who believes this crap should never be voted for.  Problem is half our voters don't have a half a brain.

Seekers of truth,

If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There's an anti-Mormon group of people here that spends a great deal of their time attacking the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They post regurgitated propaganda on an almost daily basis.

They have a misguided obsession. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. The straw man argument is a big favorite and is frequently preceded by cherry-picking quotes or other material. After the "quotation" the attacker will misrepresent what has been said or what was meant and then attack their own interpretation.Later they will have the audacity to claim they were "only" quoting our own material.

They will of course insist ad nauseum that they are merely using our sources and are therefore innocent of any deceptive practice. LDS persons have no issue whatsoever having our scriptures or leaders quoted as long as it is presented fairly and accurately. This is rarely (if ever) done.

Another favorite is posting scripture or statements which on their own really present no dilemma. They make something out of nothing while never bringing up a single objection that hasn't been addressed a hundred times before.

You might note a couple of other tactics used to try to antagonize is the use of disrespectful or insulting terms or language and/or pictures. That's a Christlike thing to do right? Yeah I don't think so either. It does speak volumes about them though.

Some of them claim being some sort of special witness to you as being supposedly former Mormons. So someone who is an ex-member of any organization would never have an axe to grind or have reason to try to justify their actions by any means? Perhaps not but perhaps so. The LDS Church gains members from other denominations as well as others faiths all the time. This doesn't make them an expert on anything and you certainly won't hear them attacking their former Church.

Frequently they cruise the headlines of the day seeking any story that might be twisted into making the Church look bad. Anything will do, just watch the progression of posts following it and see what I mean.

After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever "issue" they seem to be "revealing" or "exposing". I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the "ahah" moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to cleverly twist and attack and will likely chuckle the more you see. In actuality, there's nothing new here. It's all been addressed many times before.

The latest twist in the anti-Mormon propaganda machine is to actually go to the links provided, but then they cherry pick what they want, quote and straw man attack that. Almost without fail you will see examples of this following this post.

Clever. It almost appears that they are helping you out by doing some footwork for you. Not so much. Don't be insulted, look for yourself. It's not the haystack they want you to think. So again, seek the truth. They aren't providing it. Use your God-given brain and discernment.

Here's a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. I have found that the vast majority of the "issues" brought up can be found and addressed at http://www.fairlds.org/ but here's more:

http://scriptures.lds.org/
http://www.lds.org
http://www.fairlds.org/
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/index.html
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.answeringantimormons.com/index.htm
http://promormon.blogspot.com/

Now you will likely notice the "you never address or answer our points" posts pop up as usual. All after providing the answers just as you have here.

Sometimes it is claimed that these sites present a needle in a haystack. Far from it. But if you give up before you try you won't know will you? They often state that these sites provide no answer. They just don't want you looking. It is as simple as that.

Will you wear blinders too? Seek truth. Find out for yourself. Want to chat with someone on any topic? A few of these sites provide just that. So do your homework sincere seeker of truth. Listen and read from both "sides". Make up your own mind.

I witness to you of these truths and wish you the best, in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.

From PD’s links http://www.fairblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Timely-Statistics-Vindicate.pdf

So who gets to apply the same kind of test to Joseph Smith, to ask him for all his worldy wealth, and to ask him for all his wives? Would he have been so gracious as to turn over everything he had?

I would think that as a ‘prophet’ Joseph would have even been held to a higher standard and probably should have just volunteered all his wealth and wives away. Before even anyone would have to ask him. you know, just to see ‘where he stood with God.’

The testimony of Emily and Eliza Partridge, two sisters who were coerced into marriages with Joseph Smith, is one of the most revolting stories that I've ever read.

Both married him without knowing the other sister had. Their marriages to him were four days apart. He married them secretly from everyone including his first wife Emma. They were the 20th and 21st out of 34 wives. Smith left them with hand shake to signify the end of their marriages.