Comparing LDS Beliefs with First-Century Christianity (REAL Mormon / LDS)

LDS.org ^ | Daniel C. Peterson and Stephen D. Ricks

[Godzilla]

It is all public image allmendream. In order to obtain converts, they can’t alienate Christians toooooo much, nor can they let their aberrant theology hold center stage. But once they get you inside and indoctrinated then those “Christians” (wink wink, nudge nudge) become gentiles behind the closed doors of their temples and services.

[allmendream]

Well yes, absolutely - but I find the hypocrisy shocking that they insist we not use language that would set them apart over definite doctrine differences - while they continue to use language that would set US apart.

I think next time a ‘Mormons are Christians” thread comes up I will ask if it is OK if we just call them “Gentiles” instead.

Somehow I don't think they will be satisfied by that (quite just) compromise.

[Jenny Hatch]

“You’re damned right I’m biased. Biased toward the one true Judeo-Christian God and His Word as recorded in the KJV Holy Bible with no additions, updates or deletions. Anyone who cannot live with that is more than welcome to post elsewhere.

Amen.”

Jim,

I have to thank you for permitting me to participate at Free Republic these past eight years.

As a faithful LDS woman I have always felt welcome and while not always embraced for my views no one has ever banned me, or threatened to ban me.

This forum is a living, breathing melting pot of American opinion, ideology, and debate.

How refreshing that we can discuss Religion and Politics without any fear of being arrested or shot for our beliefs.

I LOVE Free Republic, like no other place on the web.

Thankyou for letting those of us who have made the eternal covenants to stand as witnesses of God as Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints do so here at Free Republic.

The very fact that we are allowed to post is a witness to your open mindedness and I will always be grateful to you for creating this site.

Jenny Hatch

[Godzilla]

Or better yet, insist that the flds (and assorted splinter groups) are mormons too.

[DelphiUser]

So, your contention is that Mormons are the ONLY ones who ever took personal shots...

Anti is a descriptive term: –noun, plural -tis. a person who is opposed to a particular practice, party, policy, action, etc.

Before you complain and say a word was made up by us you really should look it up...

As for the name calling again, your contention is that it's all one sided? ROTFLOL

Honest debate about Mormonism, that's simple, Mormons explain what they believe, others decide if they are interested. Catholics should also be able to explain what they believe and see if people are interested, the same for Baptists, Methodist, Calvinists, and any other sect you can name.

As for an honest debate by people of different religions? well I don't know that it happens much as it would require mutual respect and personal honor. I'm not gonna hold my breath for it to happen.

I have answered numerous questions based on numerous comments that were made by numerous apostles. The problem is the answers were judged lacking by my opponents in the debate. I'll gladly debate you on anything as long as I get to choose when your answer was acceptable and I get to moderate the debate. That is what FR has become, and truth and fairness are no longer available here.

"Not only is it extremely cruel to persecute in this brief life those who do not think the way we do, but I do not know if it might be too presumptuous to declare their eternal damnation." - Voltaire.

Voltaire also said "It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong." Which is where Mormons sit today, not that anyone here will agree, since you are the "establishment"

"If a watch proves the existence of a watchmaker but the universe does not prove the existence of a great Architect, then I consent to be called a fool." - Voltaire

I love quotes, great minds putting things in such prose it's painful sometimes to read what anti's of all stripes say. Typically those who waste their time "opposing" would have been better served to spend that time on their education.

One last quote, "I never let my schooling get in the way of my education." - Samuel Clemens, AKA Mark Twain

Delph

[Elsie]

I don't know that it happens much as it would require mutual respect and personal honor.

Says you.I have no honor and you do not have to respect me; my feathers won't be ruffled.

Or...

Did you mean that I have to respect YOUR personal honor?

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[Elsie]

I love quotes,

Oh!!

Me too!

CAn you QUOTE the Scriptures that describe the requirements and the procedures for the things that are done in MORMON temples?

[MHGinTN]

"Honest debate about Mormonism, that's simple, Mormons explain what they believe, others decide if they are interested." Delph

Elsie, when do you suppose these 'Mormons' will explain what they believe so we won't have to keep posting the quotes from their founders and leaders which expose their blasphemies? I'd ask Delph but he isn't given to honest responses just long essays of pointless accusations.

[DelphiUser]

(Hey, it's a "Free Republic"...FR has to let cultists like you proseletyze on sites like this along with the Scientologists, Wiccans, Eckankar people, Hare Krishnas & the rest)

SZonian, you were saying what about the pejorative terms?

As for "the list" Being banned form a site that is now admittedly anti Mormon is no great trick.

Accusing people of being linked to murderers, mass murderers, and all the other horrific things that got most of them zotted is enough to make your skin crawl.

I never accused anyone of any such thing.

I never saw you apologize for any of those words, DU.

I never saw you apologize for all the names I've been called over the years either.

In the Old Testament, the true prophets engaged in identificational repentance. Even when they specifically were not guilty of specific sins, they would pray unto the Lord, mention the sins, and pray as if they, too, were guilty of them. Isaiah did it. Ezekiel. Jeremiah. Daniel.

Maybe you didn't know, but I haven't been called as a prophet. Prophets speak for God to the people, and as you have so ably pointed out they also speak for the people to God.

We can't even get a Mormon to admit his fellow Mormons sin -- by specific sin. It's always vague generalities. They'll claim past "prophets" sinned -- but they'll never admit the false prophecies they proclaimed.

So, you expect, in an adversarial relationship for people to confess their sins to you?

What kind of an egomaniac are you?

As for "fellow Mormons", The Church is a hospital for sinners, not a sanctuary for saints. We are all sinners, but I for one have no intention of selecting you as a person to confess to, and certainly not on a hostile public forum such as Freerepublic has become.

As for False prophecies, what if we don't know of any? Should we "confess" a lie to you to make you happy?

you seem to be "assuming" that we are "wrong" and should confess that we are wrong, sinful and mean spirited and just get out of the way, if not outright join you in trashing God's Church.

Colofornian, I find your "arguments" facetious, flawed, one sided, and mostly boring, I don't miss these paranoid threads, reply if you want, I only came back to see if resty had responded. I like many disgusted by what FR has become don't come here often any more. The Internet is large and there is plenty to do without coming to an anti site to wallow.

Delph

[DelphiUser]

Wow, you must really have missed me, I responded to Resty and you posted to me what? Six times? LOL!

Delph

[Colofornian]

So, you expect, in an adversarial relationship for people to confess their sins to you?

It's simple. If a Mormon is comparing others who are not linked to murder & mass murder as if they are, an apology is owed somewhere. (Who said it was -- or had -- to be me receiving the apology? Another jump-to-unwarranted-conclusion by you...Just like the time you did so with Godzilla & I had to set you straight there...didn't see an apology from you toward Godzilla there)

You'd think such murderous linkages made by a fellow Mormon would be embarrassing to you; perhaps not.

I indeed see Christians holding each other accountable on these threads for what they say -- not always to the degree we might extend -- but it's done. I don't see Mormons doing the same.

As for "adversarial," perhaps if Mormons didn't go around tossing their 10% toward publications labeling Christians as corrupt apostates, there'd be less "adversarial-ness" in the world.

[Colofornian]

As for False prophecies, what if we don't know of any? Should we "confess" a lie to you to make you happy?

I didn't know...

...Adam-God was still teachable as Mormon orthodox doctrine...
...along with blood atonement by men for their own sins...
...and that 'twas "A-OK" to practice skin-color theology...at least until 1978 -- and longer -- if you follow those skin-color verses yet to be removed in the BoM & Book of Abraham...
...& the White Horse Prophesy uttered as if true by speakers @ numerous general conferences up through the early 1960s...
...There's four just for starters...
...

[Elsie]

Wow, you must really have missed me, I responded to Resty and you posted to me what? Six times? LOL!

If I were to remain quiet when disinformation is being presented, the very ROCKS would cry out!

[Elsie]

It TAKES six times to respond to all of the things you manage to cobble together in one of your lengthy, rambling posts.

[Elsie]

As for "adversarial," perhaps if Mormons didn't go around tossing their 10% toward publications labeling Christians as corrupt apostates, there'd be less "adversarial-ness" in the world.

Aw...

You whiney, little, Hateful, BIGo ooops Abominable Apostate, Son of Perdition, you!

--MormonDude(YOU are just mad because YOU don't have a LARGE statue in SLC!!)

[SZonian]

You were the one complaining about the atmosphere, implying that if the non-mormons would just go away it would all be ok again.

But I noted that you didn’t mention the mormons attitude that contributed greatly to that atmosphere.

That is duplicitous and deceitful.

I was putting those descriptors out there as facts to support my argument. I see you came back with “LOL” responses which tells me you have none.

As to the debate question, your answer barely meets a recognized definition, but not the intent of FR.

In the context of the OTHER definitions provided, again; What would constitute honest debate?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/debate

[DelphiUser]

If you want an apology for something, ask the person who said it. Guilt by association was tried on the Savior too.

As for you being the one to apologize to, you are the one asking...

I have personally apologized many times when upon reflecting I thought I was out of line. I don't recognize YOU of all people as the arbiter of politeness. If you really want to go there, I'll ask the question. Is there anything in your conduct on this forum that should be apologized for and has not been?

Ya might know this one let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Now, who said that?

Lastly, you see your side holding itself accountable? LOL! Yeah and my football team never holds, is offsides or hits late. You, and everyone on “your side” are the last people who should be judging your sides behavior. Satan thinks he and his side are “right” too.

True debate cannot be had when the moderator chooses a side. We used to have at least the attempt at even handedness, now that is gone. FR has all the credibility of Hillary moderating a debate between the rats and the pubbies.

Delph

[DelphiUser]

So no other religion has “ever” changed a doctrine?

I suppose then that you keep the law of Moses? No? Revelation means God can correct you an I for one will take his correction over yours or any council of men or any mere mortal no matter how learned.

I could address everything you have brought up. But it would be a waste of time. The Pharisees said Jesus was a false prophet too. (Jftr when he prophesied of his death and Resurrection, they thought he was talking about the temple) likewise you misunderstand revelation and call it false.

Delph

[DelphiUser]

Ill give you $1,000 if you can stay quiet long enough for the rocks to cry out.

Delph

[DelphiUser]

I love healthy, even heated debate. I love fair contests of intellect.

When Hillary is going to moderate the debate between left and right, I am NOT interested. I wont “compete” where I can't lose, nor where I can't win.

As for responses... let's play Foosball the table will be at a 45 degree angle in my favor, and warped so the ball centers itself as it rolls toward your goal. Oh yeah, we'll also ban your goalie from the game. Hey lets put some money on the game to make it “interesting” what do You say?

“Honest Debate” must involve an impartial moderator who enforces the rules fairly and evenly. FR is no longer a place where honest debate can happen regarding Mormonism as the ultimate moderator has chosen sides in the debate.

Delph