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We have a pretty good idea what Jesus looked like
vanity ^ | 3-4-11 | Dangus

Posted on 03/04/2011 6:27:07 AM PST by dangus

It is commonly claimed that we have little idea what Jesus looked like. Some have even gone to such despicable extremes as to describe traditional depictions of Jesus as looking like an "effeminate hippy." The truth is that although some images of Jesus have made him look overly European, we do have a good sense of what he looked like.

Jesus had a beard. To shave off one's beard was a great dishonor (see 1 Sam 21, 2 Sam 10:4, Isaiah 50:6). One particular humiliation the Messiah withstood was that the centurions plucked out his beard (Isaiah 50:6); certainly they were grabbing significant portions, not just a few day's growth.

Jesus probably did have long hair. The Gospel of Matthew states that the birth of Jesus "fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene (2:23)." In context, Matthew is obviously making a play on the fact that Jesus was born in Nazareth, but prophesy isn't dismissed by a pun, and the prophecy plainly referred to the a Nazarite.

Nazarites were people who atoned for the sins of the people by making sacrifices of their bodies. (Sound familiar?) They abstained from strong drink and grape products. Since Jesus didn't do this, one might suppose that he was not a Nazarite. (Actually, as Luke 5:33 records it, his disciples didn't abstain from drink, there's no reason to suppose Jesus drank apart from ritual.) On the other hand, it confounded people that he didn't do this, which suggests he may have been regarded as a Nazarite, or appeared to be one. So how does one appear to be a Nazarite?

Nazarites didn't cut or groom their hair. As such, they were considered offensive and humiliated in Jewish culture, which began to assume that they were atoning for their own sins, even though this was in opposition to scripture! (See Lam. 4:7, Amos 2:11). The fact that long hair was considered shameful (1 Cor 11:14), thus, shouldn't be considered evidence that Jesus didn't have long hair, since Jesus bore our shame (Isaiah 53:4).

Jesus was fairly ordinary looking, for his time and place. Isaiah 52:14 notes that "He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to Him, nothing in His appearance that we should desire Him." But this doesn't mean he looked perfectly typical. The Talmud depicts Adam as a majestic and beautiful giant; one might have expected the Messiah to look like a Son of God. (The Sons of God were a race of giants, see Gen. 6:2.) We shouldn't discount the possibility that he was rather tall, or forget that recent growth in mankind's average height is a result of better diet, not genetic change. Contrary to the recent assertions of the History channel, There is no reason to believe Jesus was rather short.

He was, however, gaunt. As a carpenter, he probably had been fairly muscular, since carpentry involved real labor. But the bible tells of frequent fasting, including one fast of forty days with no food at all (Mat 4:2). By the time he was crucified, he was so thin, you could count all his bones (Psalm 22:17).

Lastly, it's not necessarily true that we have no record of his appearance. Eastern Christian tradition, not infallible, but not baseless, either, asserts that the evangelist Luke was a physician and a painter, and that although Luke's images are lost, the iconic images of Christ Pantocrator are based on them. Christ Pantocrator is consistent with scripture: Bearded, slender, long-haired.. and very Jewish looking. It's also consistent with the numerous supposedly miraculous images of Christ, such as Veronica's veil and the Shroud of Turin. Among scripture and these images, we have a very good sense of what Jesus looked like, indeed.


Shroud of Turn

Holy Face of Vienna

Christ Pantocrator

4th century catacomb


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To: Carpe Cerevisi
The inside of your church must look like the inside of a civic center.

When decorativeness becomes the most important consideration, it's probably a safe bet that our priorities have gotten mixed up.
21 posted on 03/04/2011 6:51:27 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Hoodat

That’s interesting you said that because that’s what my wife says too!

For me personally, I picture someone that looks kind of like Obi Won Kenobi in the Phantom Menace Star Wars movie and when my Jesus talks, he has an English accent. (I have no English blood in me.)


22 posted on 03/04/2011 6:51:37 AM PST by MrInvisible
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To: dangus
So, He looks like this guy then.

23 posted on 03/04/2011 6:51:54 AM PST by fulltlt
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To: Hoodat

That’s interesting you said that because that’s what my wife says too!

For me personally, I picture someone that looks kind of like Obi Won Kenobi in the Phantom Menace Star Wars movie and when my Jesus talks, he has an English accent. (I have no English blood in me.)


24 posted on 03/04/2011 6:52:09 AM PST by MrInvisible
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To: MrInvisible

Sorry for the double post.


25 posted on 03/04/2011 6:52:47 AM PST by MrInvisible
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To: dangus

Didn’t Judas have to “point” Him out to the soldiers? If that’s the case, maybe He didn’t stand out in a crowd and looked like other people did in that day.


26 posted on 03/04/2011 6:54:02 AM PST by kickonly88 (I love fossil fuel!)
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To: Hoodat

>> Notice how Jesus looks Italian in all the paintings? I always picture him as a young Billy Crystal. <<

He certainly does NOT look like a Roman in any of the pictures, if that’s your insinuation. My wife’s family is from Northern Italy. She’s blonde, blue-eyed, round-faced, and has a short nose.


27 posted on 03/04/2011 6:54:31 AM PST by dangus
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To: LearsFool
"So you're saying God didn't give you a commandment like He gave to Moses?"

Of course not, but I'm not sure what the relevance is. What's your definition of "graven image"?

28 posted on 03/04/2011 6:54:44 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: LearsFool
I can't recall the commandment to Christians to draw/paint/sculpt images of Jesus. Can you refresh my memory?

Having an Image vs Worshiping that image = Big difference.

29 posted on 03/04/2011 6:55:02 AM PST by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: dangus

So you’re saying that, no, you don’t have such a commandment to draw/paint/sculpt images of Jesus, as Moses did for the serpent? I just want to be clear on that point, and not misunderstand.


30 posted on 03/04/2011 6:55:20 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: kickonly88

>> Didn’t Judas have to “point” Him out to the soldiers? If that’s the case, maybe He didn’t stand out in a crowd and looked like other people did in that day. <<

Well, yeah. Don’t you think Christ Pantocrator looks Jewish? Don’t forget though, many of his followers were followers of John before him (at least three), or were cousins of his (at least two). In the middle of the night, I’d quite easily suppose he blended into that crown.


31 posted on 03/04/2011 7:02:01 AM PST by dangus
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To: MsLady

Look at how much she charges just for a print

https://www.akiane.com/store/index.php/prints.html


32 posted on 03/04/2011 7:05:03 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: LearsFool
When decorativeness becomes the most important consideration, it's probably a safe bet that our priorities have gotten mixed up.

Who said anything about the "decorativeness" of the interior of the church took anything away from the worship that takes place in the church? If anything it should elevate the mind to God. God forbade the worship of images in place of God; He didn't ban the use of making them.

By your rationale any images, be it photographs, movies, books, statues, or paintings would be forbidden.
33 posted on 03/04/2011 7:06:55 AM PST by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: justice14; Joe 6-pack; dangus
Having an Image vs Worshiping that image = Big difference.

I believe I'll leave such details up to God, and instead stick to what He tells me.

Dangus cites a command God gave to Moses - as though (presumably) that settles the matter for everyone for all time - while Joe acknowledges he's been given no similar command.

Moses didn't have to try and justify an exception, because he could point to a command from God. None of you have been able to do that.

So that leaves me wondering...By what authority are you drawing/painting/sculpting/using images of Jesus?

Seems to me you have more authority to "make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole". That's a command that's at least actually IN the Bible.
34 posted on 03/04/2011 7:08:04 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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Here's a pic of the Christ whoopin' someone's ass...Don't hurt 'em Jesus!

35 posted on 03/04/2011 7:10:34 AM PST by evets (beer)
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To: LearsFool
>> So you’re saying that, no, you don’t have such a commandment to draw/paint/sculpt images of Jesus, as Moses did for the serpent? I just want to be clear on that point, and not misunderstand. <<

Nope. Not particularly. Just the example of the first-century Christians' "graffiti" on the graves of the martyrs, the mosaic of the loaves and fishes from the first church in Capernaum. Say what Christian example exists for this stuff?:






36 posted on 03/04/2011 7:12:32 AM PST by dangus
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To: evets

Robin Williams said, “When Jesus comes back, he’s not going to look like Ted Nugent, he’s going to come back looking like Charles Bronson, and to paraphrase, he ain’t going to be very happy.”


37 posted on 03/04/2011 7:12:34 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: LearsFool
"...while Joe acknowledges he's been given no similar command."

You better go look at your commandments again. I think there's one in there about bearing false witness or something like that.

38 posted on 03/04/2011 7:12:49 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: RummyChick

akaine’s brother
http://iliapoetry.com/about.html

Apparently, two prodigies in the same family


39 posted on 03/04/2011 7:14:05 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: Carpe Cerevisi
Who said anything about the "decorativeness"...

Well you're the one making snide remarks about "the inside of your church must look like the inside of a civic center".

I'm certainly not going to advocate we decorate the place up just because you look down your nose at our "civic center" plainness. If God is displeased with plainness, point to His command to decorate. If YOU are displeased with plainness, that's not my problem.
40 posted on 03/04/2011 7:14:29 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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