Posted on 02/28/2011 8:18:05 AM PST by hope_dies_last
Do you eat shrimp? Do you eat pork? Do you ask women if they are menstruating so as to avoid them because they are unclean? Do you keep the entire Levitical law?
There is lots of blindness and confusionshalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
about the meaning of days and when they begin and end.From a deep reading of Genesis 1,
Jews consider a day to begin at sundown
and end at the following sundown.We today think a day begins at midnight
in the middle of the night.The Pagan world has always thought
the day began
in the middle of the night.YHvH's Sabbath begins at sundown
on the day we know a Friday.
Sabbath ends at sundown on
the day known as Saturday.In the days of Yah'shua, the
first day of the week began
at sundown of the day called Saturday.Yah'shua rose from the dead on the
first day of the week i.e. sometime
after sundown on Saturday evening.I can not find anywhere in the Holy Word
of YHvH where the Sabbath was moved
from Friday evening through Saturday evening.I do find the the Pontiff Constantine
prohibiting resting on Saturday,
substituting instead the Holy Day of the SunIn addition Constantine at Nicea
condemned the celebration of Passover
replacing it with Easter.
So it depends on what calendary you use here? So, if in your culture, your calendar shows the week starting on Monday, the seventh day on the calendar is Sunday and therefore the Sabbath day is Sunday.
In several languages, the name of Sunday is associated with The Lord, identifying Sunday as the holy day of the week.
Where do you come up with this stuff? Go look at the calendar. What day is the seventh day? Calendars have been recorded as far back as Moses. Jesus kept the Sabbath. You have a choice. Do what God says or do what the world tells you is okay.
On a calendar invented and published by man. What makes you so sure that our calendar is aligned with the original creation?
What evidence can you present to tie the Creation events with our man-made calendar? I don't recall any evidence that would tie ancient practice to our current calendar.
“I have posted on this topic before and get an onslaught of replies from defender’s of Sunday worship.”
GRAMMAR POLICE WARNING!
defenders = plural
defender’s = possessive
I’ll let you off with just a warning THIS TIME.
BTW: the inability to master simple rules of grammar and spelling seriously undermines your message.
Let’s get going, Dan-o.
You are calling God a liar. He instituted the seven day week. There is no known celestial, solar or earthly event that dictates seven days to a week. In the beginning . . 6 days of creation and one day of rest. It started with God. God would not command man to observe a day that he could not figure out which day it is he's supposed to be observing. God commanded Sabbath worship. He gave us a calendar to show us what day it is. The world tells you to worship another day (or no day). It is your choice to obey God or not.
Actually the Jewish counting of the day was evening to evening, so “setting something aside on the first (the word “day” was added to the English) of the sabbaton (meaning sabbath or week, depending on context)” could very well have referred to Saturday evening after sabbath observance had concluded.
Same with Acts 20:7. That they came together to break bread on the first [day] of the sabbaton [sabbath/week] was likely this - Paul met with believers in the synagogue on Saturday sabbath. At the end of the sabbath, as the first day of the week began, they had the evening meal, and Paul, who had been speaking earlier in the synagogue, continued to talk until midnight.
This is of course inconsequential as there is no problem with worship or assembly on any or every day of the week if one so chooses. The issue lies in a commanded day of rest and whether references to meeting “on the first day of the week” gave license to throwing out 7th day sabbath observance as defined by scripture. I don’t think it does; rather, I think it’s quite a stretch.
Which God?.. there are so many of them..
I know, I know everyone says theirs is the real one..
The real one meaning "yours" is a God of your imagination..
Some may be!!!..
What if that is true.. that some imagine God to be something "it" is NOT..
I say "it" because why would God need gender?.. or even a mouth?, feet? (like that)...
What in the bible is metaphorical and what is not?..
Answering that question(correctly) may solve a lot of other problems..
BUT it could also make Chimps out some bible expositors..
Some of them being like chimps trying to understand a Rolex Watch.. being shiny and all..
The thought of that; may answer why so many religions!..
You know.. christian ones.. the other religions may started by Gibbons..
You're really good at that!
MacArthur said, "I shall return". To be grammatically correct he should have said, "I will return".
Never less, he returned.
The sabbath wasn’t a day of worship. It was a day off.
On that day, the Jews were to remember that they were servants in Egypt, and that God delivered them out of that bondage by his outstretched arm:
“You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out of there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to observe the sabbath day.”
Do you suppose that Farrah does that on the sabbath?
The weekly sabbath was not a day of assembling for worship. Syngaogues didn’t exist until the Babylonian captivity.
Saturday is associated with Sabbath in several languages. So, what's your point? Sun day was a worship day with sun worshipers. This was a large group at one time.
You are very anxious to thump your chest and proclaim your personal rightiousness over your fellows. I was asking how you can be so sure that our calendar is synchronized with Creation. You couldn'r possibly prove that "Saturday" is an even multiple of weeks from the original "Sabboth".
You not only have a phony calendar, you think you have the ability to discern other peoples motives and thoughts. Go and believe what you want to believe.
Your bible study is lacking.. You've missed something.. maybe a lot..
"the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life."
Now if you're Jewish then you must defer to the Talmud which is what a bunch of Rabbi's think the "letter of the word" really means.. They do a verbal dance around the Spirit of the word, like Shamans..
There is the pot calling the kettle black! I seem to recall that you proclaimed that I was calling God a liar! You are power practicing what you accuse me of doing.
I merely asked how you are so sure your "Saturday" is fully syncrhonized with the original "Sabboth". If you can't prove that it is fully synchronized, then you are surely running the risk of not worshiping on the Sabboth.
I assume that the day of worship is not important as you make out; otherwise, God would have some facility in place to insure the practice. The Sabboth is not so important, just as all other Jewish customs became null and void once Christ secured our Salvation.
Worship and/or assembly on any particular day of the week isn’t an issue; therefore, worship and/or assembly on any or every day is fine. What’s in dispute here is observance of the 7th day as a sabbath rest. The fact that early believers met on “the first [day] of the week [sabbaton = sabbath or week)” does nothing to change the commandment, and scripture in no way indicates that early believers changed their sabbath observance. In fact, Paul continued to be Torah observant throughout his ministry.
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