Posted on 02/28/2011 8:18:05 AM PST by hope_dies_last
Have you ever wondered why one of the Ten Commandments seems null and void – notably the one calling on believers to observe the Sabbath?
Ask your pastor or priest and you will probably hear it's because Jesus rose from the dead on Sunday... (or because the disciples broke bread on Sunday morning--after a daylong sermon that extended into the night hours the preceding Sabbath Day)
And then there's the little problem of this switch of worship days not being mentioned in the Bible – and the historical fact that most Christians continued observing the Sabbath for hundreds of years after Jesus rose from the dead.
So what happened? What caused the switch?
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I am aware Jesus is the Sabbath and the whole point of our resting from our “resting from our work”, according to Matthew 11:28.
But I suppose you have also read:
“I you love me, keep my Commandments” John 14:15
I suppose then it’s okay for you to murder, rape and steal?
Why are you gutting the 4th Commandment, which is the one commandment that more clearly points us to Calvary?
Things to consider:
1. Sunday is not the Sabbath. The 7th day is the Sabbath.
2. Man was not made for the Sabbath; The Sabbath was made for man.
3. Let no man be your judge with respect to keeping the Sabbath.
4. The 10 commandments were given due to Israel’s lack of faith and obedience.
5. The Sabbath was instituted by God himself, prior to giving the law.
6. Christians are not under the Jewish Law.
7. Christian freedom allows worship of God on any day of the week a church pleases...Sunday is a good one because it is the resurrection day.
“Many were delighted when he did return.”
Agreed.
If you can't prove that the Sabboth falls on Saturday, you are possibly violating that commandment. If this concept is so important to you, surely you have a way of proving that you are correctly observing the proper day of worhip. Allow me to privy to that mechanism.
Having Faith in God is one thing. Having Faith in 5000 years of people counting days is a completely different matter. I can only assume that the possible affects of a fallable mankind does not affect the outcome of Salvation. Salvation is a Gift from God through Grace alone, not through any act of man. (Such as calendar keeping.)
Can you clarify something for me? Are you saying that
1) you think we should observe the sabbath as defined by scripture BUT we don’t know for sure when the 7th day falls
OR
2) you don’t think we have to observe the sabbath as defined by scripture BECAUSE we don’t know for sure when the 7th day falls
OR
3) you don’t think we have to observe the sabbath as defined by scripture and therefore where the actual day falls is irrelevant?
Or maybe none of the above? :) Thanks.
Then how can you believe you shouldn’t steal... scribes (men) copied the Law of Sinai?
4. The 10 commandments were given due to Israel’s lack of faith and obedience.
5. The Sabbath was instituted by God himself, prior to giving the law.
6. Christians are not under the Jewish Law.
7. Christian freedom allows worship of God on any day of the week a church pleases...Sunday is a good one because it is the resurrection day.
#4 is that true ? #6 Again is Paul rebuking YHvH ? #7 That is lawlessnes ! see
#3 Rav Paul is rebuking YHvH in 3 above ?
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Matt. 7:23; 13:41; 23:28; 24:12; Rom. 6:19; 2 Co. 6:14; 2 Thess. 2:3, 7; Heb. 1:9; 1 Jn. 3:4
All that's left for us to fulfill is the law of love (thus, we don't murder, rape and steal).
Performing a work of duty for the sake of the work is not love, but a work of the flesh. (However, as I said, if one is in need of the fellowship/teaching for growth...then one must seek out those sources for such and the Holy Spirit will lead in that direction).
The whole Old Testament pointed toward Calvary. Jesus fulfilled that...now we can rest in Him.
No you are the judge, and you are using God as an excuse to futher confusion. Saturday is just another day, a day you have choosen to worship on. Sunday is the day that I have choosen, do you really think God cares about what day you worship? If I wanted to be a Seventh Day Adventist and following the rantings of a what day you worship on to create a whole denomination out it I would, but for now I will worship the Load on the Lords Day, Sunday!!!!!
It seems like the Golden Corral would be a good choice I will add it to my list.
The exact day would be something that would be important to Pharisees.
Jesus didn't think much of Pharisees.
To the contrary, FRiend. To the letter, every single thing that Christ admonished the Pharisees for were things they had changed by way of their traditions, nullifying the Law of God.
That the Sabbath day is Saturday is well known. If you do not keep the Sabbath, you cannot keep the commandments of God.
Colossians 2:16–17: “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.”
rantings indeed. Matthew 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord of the Sabbath. Worship whatever day you wish, that is between you and God. Jesus worshiped on the Sabbath as was His custom. But you, worship on whatever day you choose. Or not at all. That is up to you. Have a good day.
"the Seventh Day" is the name of the day. The Hebrews did not name their days after gods, like the pagans did (still do). They were merely named by their ordinal quality.
The Sabbath is Saturday.
You have a good day also
I guess the Jews could choose whatever name they wanted to for their sabbath day but all God required was one out of seven. Picking any of the seven days of the week as the day of rest would comply with the Sabbath requirements of Exodus 20. And it wold appear that naming days after gods was about the only pagan practice of their neighbors the Jews didn't adapt.
Read Colossians 2:6-19 for context. Try reading that verse in context.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Would you just please stop it??? You really think I am going to waste my time reading your post to me? You are wasting your time on something most all think is divisive and disruptive.
The exact date can be calculated by way of the Jubilees, which also follow the Sabbath model - I won't demonstrate it for you, as the study is a huge endeavor. But if you care to understand, you may do so on your own.
I reassert my original point. The 7th day that God rested as described in Genesis is lost to antiquity.
No, The Sabbath was defined in the desert after the crossing of the Red Sea, by way of the manna, which YHWH caused to be heavy enough for two days on the Sixth day. The manna kept through the Seventh day, and the manna did not fall on the Seventh day.
The day can certainly be calculated from that point, if one believes the Bible to be true.
The Sabbath Day of YHWH is Saturday.
I guess the Jews could choose whatever name they wanted to for their sabbath day but all God required was one out of seven. Picking any of the seven days of the week as the day of rest would comply with the Sabbath requirements of Exodus 20. And it wold appear that naming days after gods was about the only pagan practice of their neighbors the Jews didn't adapt.
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