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This is a Catholic / Orthodox Caucus Thread.

Since the current practice in the Forum is to preemptively lock up and lock out certain topics and posters I am re-posting threads where Latin and Eastern Rite Catholics were denied an oportunity for discussion. In this case the legitimacy of Apostolic Tradition and Appirations as a means of Divine Revelation suggested in the original article can be considered.

1 posted on 02/24/2011 2:33:47 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law

I really dont know.Some think not.


3 posted on 02/24/2011 2:37:38 PM PST by dalebert
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Has God made himself known only in the Bible and/or Jesus? Are there any other ways in which He has revealed himself to us?

The seas, the mountains, the skies, the birds, the trees, the flowers and on and on.


8 posted on 02/24/2011 2:53:32 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA
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Has God made himself known only in the Bible and/or Jesus? Are there any other ways in which He has revealed himself to us?

The seas, the mountains, the skies, the birds, the trees, the flowers and on and on.


10 posted on 02/24/2011 2:54:05 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA
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Since the current practice in the Forum is to preemptively lock up and lock out certain topics and posters....

So I guess it's probably safe to talk about the Holy Spirit on this thread?

12 posted on 02/24/2011 2:56:27 PM PST by r9etb
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I believe it is Catholic (perhaps Orthodox too) teaching that there will be no more public revealation until Christ returns. There can be private revelation and there can be a growth of understanding regarding public revelation but nothing “new”.

God has revealed Himself to us by means other than Scripture. The purpose of this revelation must be emphasized and that is so people will turn to Him and turn to His written, oral and living Word. We call these Scripture, Tradition and Christ. All of which are protected and taught by the Church.

One primary way He has done this is in the glory of Creation. Another is through what is called natural law.
I’m sure there are others. It must be remembered they are not a permenant substitution for the public revelations found in Scripture, Tradition and in the person of Christ, Jesus. They are meant to lead us to the fullness of Truth not to replace it.


14 posted on 02/24/2011 2:58:34 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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The bible is the most recent revelation by God but other belief systems may have incorporated prior revelations such as made by Melchizedek.

That Abraham, Melchizedek and Hammurabi existed at about the same time strongly points to prior revelation finding its way into the Code of Hammurabi which itself anticipated the Ten Commandments.

15 posted on 02/24/2011 3:04:20 PM PST by fso301
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Nostradamas, Casey, Mayans, tons of fables through the ages.


16 posted on 02/24/2011 3:15:07 PM PST by csuzieque
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Is anyone sure that God revealed himself?


19 posted on 02/24/2011 3:42:19 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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As I learn more about my Catholic Faith, I feel closer to God and feel his presence and guidance. I especially feel him when receiving His Body and Blood in Holy Communion.

This was an article I read and kept (but forgot to keep the web page reference).

According to a Polish blog, the Metropolitan Curia of Bialystok has announced the results of the investigation of an Ecclesial Commission appointed by Archbishop Edward Ozorowski on March 30, 2009. The original post (in Polish) can be found here.

Father Andrzej Kakareko, Chancellor, writes that on October 12, 2008, a consecrated Host fell out of the hands of the priest distributing Holy Communion. The priest had it picked up and placed in the vasculum in the Tabernacle. After Mass, the vasculum and its contents were transferred to the safe in the sacristy.

Seven days later, after opening the safe, a red stain was seen on the Host. Ten days afer that, the vessel with the Host was transferred to the Tabernacle in the chapel of the rectory. The next day, the Host was removed from the water and placed on the corporal in the Tabernacle.

On January 7, 2009 a sample from the host was sent to the University in Bialystok for analysis. According to two medical professionals, professor Maria Sobaniec-Lotowska and professor Stanislaw Sulkowski, the sample, in their opinion, most resembled the myocardial (heart) tissue of a living organism.

As part of its investigation, the Commission interviewed witnesses and pathomorphology experts. The Commission determined that there was no third-party intervention. The case has been forwarded to the Apostolic Nunciature in Warsaw.

While unusual in this day and age, the Church has a long history of Eucharistic miracles. The Vatican International Exhibition’s “Eucharistic Miracles of the World” documents more than 130 worldwide miracles of the Eucharist, demonstrating that Jesus Christ in the Eucharist – Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity – continues to make his presence manifest at unique times and places in history.

Perhaps the most famous and well-known, is the Miracle of Lanciano, which occurred about 750 A.D. It bears repeating as it closely resembles the alleged Polish miracle. During Mass, the celebrant doubted the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. During the consecration, the Host transformed into flesh and blood. Subsequent investigations confirmed the authenticity of the human tissue. An investigation, as late as 1970, found the flesh to be cardiac tissue and the blood to be type AB.

Eucharistic Miracle
Lanciano, Italy 8th Century A.D.

Ancient Anxanum, the city of the Frentanese, has contained for over twelve centuries the first and greatest Eucharistic Miracle of the Catholic Church. This wondrous Event took place in the 8th century A.D. in the little Church of St. Legontian, as a divine response to a Basilian monk’s doubt about Jesus’ Real Presence in the Eucharist.

During Holy Mass, after the two-fold consecration, the host was changed into live Flesh and the wine was changed into live Blood, which coagulated into five globules, irregular and differing in shape and size.

The Host-Flesh, as can be very distinctly observed today, has the same dimensions as the large host used today in the Latin church; it is light brown and appears rose-colored when lighted from the back.

The Blood is coagulated and has an earthy color resembling the yellow of ochre.

Various ecclesiastical investigation (”Recognitions”) were conducted since 1574.

In 1970-’71 and taken up again partly in 1981 there took place a scientific investigation by the most illustrious scientist Prof. Odoardo Linoli, eminent Professor in Anatomy and Pathological Histology and in Chemistry and Clinical Microscopy. He was assisted by Prof. Ruggero Bertelli of the University of Siena.

The analyses were conducted with absolute and unquestionable scientific precision and they were documented with a series of microscopic photographs.
These analyses sustained the following conclusions:

The Flesh is real Flesh. The Blood is real Blood.

The Flesh and the Blood belong to the human species.

The Flesh consists of the muscular tissue of the heart.

In the Flesh we see present in section: the myocardium, the endocardium, the vagus nerve and also the left ventricle of the heart for the large thickness of the myocardium.

The Flesh is a “HEART” complete in its essential structure.

The Flesh and the Blood have the same blood-type: AB (Blood-type identical to that which Prof. Baima Bollone uncovered in the Holy Shroud of Turin).

In the Blood there were found proteins in the same normal proportions (percentage-wise) as are found in the sero-proteic make-up of the fresh normal blood.

In the Blood there were also found these minerals: chlorides, phosphorus, magnesium, potassium, sodium and calcium.

The preservation of the Flesh and of the Blood, which were left in their natural state for twelve centuries and exposed to the action of atmospheric and biological agents, remains an extraordinary phenomenon.


21 posted on 02/24/2011 4:15:36 PM PST by ADSUM (Democracy works when citizens get involved and keep government honest.)
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Bible


"We are compelled to concede to the Papists
that they have the Word of God,
that we received it from them,
and that without them
we should have no knowledge of it at all."

~ Martin Luther



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Did Martin Luther Act Infallibly in Defining What Books Belong in the Bible?
History of the Bible (caution: long)
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THE CATHOLIC CHURCH: ON READING THE BIBLE [Catholic Caucus]

Because I Love the Bible
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When Was the Bible Really Written?
Three Reasons for Teaching the Bible [St. Thomas Aquinas]
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Where Is That Taught in the Bible?
Friday Fast Fact: The Bible in English
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The Complete Bible: Why Catholics Have Seven More Books [Ecumenical]
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23 posted on 02/24/2011 4:41:58 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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