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"For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled." (Luke 21:22)
Posted on 02/16/2011 7:12:24 AM PST by topcat54
Mark Hitchcock, a contemporary prophecy writer, references Smith’s calculation that “there are approximately 250 verses in the Old Testament that, at the time they were given, were prophecies of events yet to take place in Egypt.”[2] Nothing is said about any verses from the New Testament that deal with Egypt’s end-time place in prophecy. In fact, there is not a single verse in the New Testament that mentions anything about a prophetic role for any mid-eastern nation, including Israel! This means that the burden of proof is on the futurist to prove that Old Testament prophetic passages related to Egypt are (1) yet to be fulfilled in some cataclysmic end-time scenario, (2) in a post-rapture event (the seven-year Great Tribulation), or (3) in the dispensational version of the “millennium” of Revelation 20.
"For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled." (Luke 21:22)
AMEN
I especially love the ad on the site talking about a conference dedicated to the Mayan 2012 prophecy.
GUFFAW!
It was revealed last year that the method they used to decipher the date was 50-100 years off.
Keep drinking the kool-aid!
It is definitely at least mentioned in the New Testament and in the context of prophesy, here, by way of comparison as a type of the World and a depraved and fallen civilization, here to describe Jerusalem at the time of the Two Witnesses.
And there are enough eschatologic references to Egypt among the prophets to satisfy anyone's preferred interpretation. In retrospect, there will be no arguing that the God of Abraham, Father or our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, spoke truth to the prophets.
Their purpose wasn't to supply the History Channel with cheap filler material. Nevertheless, if those same producers paid as much attention to the fulfilled prophesies as they pay the cross-eyed and obscure work of Nostradamus, the former being so much more amazing, more people would blow the dust off their Bibles and pay closer attention.
Personally, one of the more interesting references to Egypt is from Isaiah (19:18-20)-
"In that day there will be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the LORD near its border. It will become a sign and a witness to the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt; for they will cry to the LORD because of oppressors, and He will send them a Savior and a Champion, and He will deliver them."
you mean the world is not going to end in 2012?
I especially love the ad on the site talking about a conference dedicated to the Mayan 2012 prophecy.GUFFAW!
Linkey goes to here: American Vision Worldview Superconference 2011. I strongly suspect come-on about the 2012 thing is spoofing the obsessions of others.
You speak wisdom. God bless!
Why?
I would think the burden of proof rests with those that claim a prophecy has already been fulfilled. After all, there ought to be a record in history if it has.
That's like saying that any letter must fit into (1) the first three letters of the alphabet, (2) the 20th letter of the alphabet, or (3) the last 3 letters of the alphabet. What about all the other's?
Why does it have to be a "cataclysmic end-time scenario"? Why couldn't it just be something that happens?
Why does it have to be post-rapture? Is this your hang up on the word "imminent" again? No where does scripture say that prophecies can't be fulfilled before the rapture occurs.
You can have prophecies being fulfilled before the rapture, after the rapture and before the Great Tribulation, during the Great Tribulation, after the Great Tribulation, during the second coming, during the millennium, during the man's final revolt after the millennium.
If scripture says it's going to happen, the burden of proof is on you, to prove it's either already happened or is clearly placed in a certain time frame by the context.
And wild assumptions that the word "imminent" means nothing can happen before the second coming, are simply not sufficient.
I think you misinterpreted the banner. It's not "dedicated" to the Mayan prophecy. The conference is dedicated to demonstrating the fraud inherent in all forms of futurism; from dispensationalism to Camping-ism to the Mayan prophecy.
Only by way of comparison. Jerusalem of the first century (the subject of Rev. 11:8) had become as Sodom and Egypt in her treatment of the people of God. That’s the gist of that verse.
The OT prophecies regarding Egypt are a matter of ancient history. They live on in the dreams of futurist speculators.
Are you denying that cataclysm is the hallmark of futurism? Billions killed, including millions of unbelieving Jews living the middle east? A literal river of blood running though the middle of Israel? It's in all the popular futurist books and TV programs.
These folks make a killing off this stuff (pardon the pun).
Why does it have to be post-rapture? Is this your hang up on the word "imminent" again? No where does scripture say that prophecies can't be fulfilled before the rapture occurs.
That’s not my argument. Take it up with the classic dispensationalists who denied any prophetic fulfillment prior to the secret rapture.
Of course none of this is in the Bible, but that fact seems to be lost on futurists.
And wild assumptions that the word "imminent" means nothing can happen before the second coming, are simply not sufficient.
Since it all fabrication, like Humpty Dumpty, futurists can make “imminent” mean anything they wish.
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."
Because none of these things are mentioned in the NT as being far in the future. The apostles knew nothing of Israel or Egypt in the 21st century, or spoke of the OT prophecies as yet to be fulfilled. Not a single one. Why are futurists smarter than the apostles? That’s what needs to be proved.
Dispensationalists see a renewed old covenant redemptive system in place during the post-rapture Great Tribulation and the following Millennium, where the temple is to be rebuilt and sacrifices offered for “atonement” (Ezek. 45:15; cf. 40:38). They have to continue this line of literalistic consistency by claiming that the Feast of Booths (Tabernacles) will also be kept as an Old Covenant rite (Zech. 14:16, 19). This is impossible. The New Testament describes Jesus as the fulfillment of every element of the Old Covenant shadows, feasts included (Passover, Unleavened Bread, Firstfruits, Pentecost): “And beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, [Jesus] explained to [His disciples] the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures. . . . That all the things which are written about [Jesus] in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled” (24:27, 44). Jesus is the “lamb of God” (John 1:29, 36), the temple (2:29), the bread from heaven (6:48), the high priest (Heb. 5:10), and the Rock (1 Cor. 10:4). Willem VanGemeren’s comments on the shadow nature of the feasts are to the point:Since Jesus’ coming the relevance of the Jewish religious calendar has been reduced to a shadow of things to come. Jesus is portrayed as the passover lamb (I Cor. 5:7–8). Christians celebrate the Lord’s Supper instead of the passover. With the destruction of the temple, pilgrimages and special offerings have come to an end. The death of Christ, particularly, is portrayed in the NT as the final sacrifice by which man can be reconciled to God (Heb. 7:27; cf. Ch. 8).[6]Are we really to expect that the nations of the world—several billion people—will go up to Jerusalem to live in booths “from year to year”? Is this what God is saying through Zechariah? The Feast of Booths commemorated the ingathering of the harvest, Israel’s sojourn in the wilderness, God’s divine protection, and the entrance of the Jews into the Promised Land. Under the gospel, the world benefits by these same blessings.
"Are you denying that cataclysm is the hallmark of futurism?"-Topcat54
No there are two clear cataclysmic end-time scenarios, First is the Great Tribulation, which is followed by the second coming and the 1000 year millennial reign of Christ. And then the Final rebellion and war which is followed by the final judgement.
What I was suggesting is that any prophecy concerning Egypt, didn't necessarily have to be part of a cataclysmic end-time scenario. Depending on the prophecy and the context, it could happen before that.
The author of the post insisted that all prophecies fit into one of 3 time periods. And I think it's a rediculous premise that prophecy can only be fulfilled during one of those 3 time periods.
To make matters worse the author pompously asserts that the "burden of proof is own futurists" without first proving any of his own assertions.
Consequently this entire article is worthless.
Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Rev 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
Rev 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
Rev 8:8 ¶ And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
Rev 8:9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
Rev 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
Rev 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
Rev 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.
Rev 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
Rev 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
Rev 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen [were] two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Rev 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand [and] six hundred furlongs.
Rev 15:7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever. Rev 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.
Rev 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and [upon] them which worshipped his image. Rev 16:3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead [man]: and every living soul died in the sea. Rev 16:4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
Rev 16:8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. Rev 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory. Rev 16:10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, Rev 16:11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds. Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, [and] so great. Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, [every stone] about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
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