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To: Benchim
and not as a result of anything you do i.e. "works" except your belief in Christ as the son of God

It’s a little more complicated than that. Check Scripture.

Feeling pretty secure? – there’s a verse for that:

"Whoever thinks he is standing secure should take care not to fall" (1 Cor. 10:11–12).

You indeed might just be saved: “Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: Galatians 1:4

And only IF you remain in his kindness. "See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God’s kindness to you, provided you remain in his kindness, otherwise you too will be cut off" Rom. 11:22–23

And only IF you endure: Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him; if we endure, we will also reign with him. (2 Tim. 2:11–12).

And only IF you stand firm: [Jesus said] “All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.” Mark 13:13

And only IF you do what God wants: “God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. (Rom. 2:6–8).

Clearly, what you do is rewarded by God. Like Paul, you must be ‘working out my salvation in fear and trembling’ (Phil. 2:12), knowing that it is God’s gift of Grace that is working in you.

Your belief goes against the clear words of Scripture. There is a special verse for this : “ vain is the belief of those who go against the word of God”. 1st Corinthians 15:2

26 posted on 01/29/2011 8:06:35 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: FatherofFive

Are you saying the Bible has contradictions and errors?


30 posted on 01/29/2011 8:13:36 PM PST by Benchim
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To: FatherofFive

Excellent.


36 posted on 01/29/2011 8:25:29 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: FatherofFive

>>‘working out my salvation in fear and trembling’<<

“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” John 6:28-29


66 posted on 01/29/2011 9:13:40 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: FatherofFive
"Whoever thinks he is standing secure should take care not to fall" (1 Cor. 10:11–12).

As usual, you guys have to add your own words to God's scripture to make it mean what you want it to...

1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

I fall every day...And Jesus picks me back up...There's nothing here about losing salvation...

You indeed might just be saved: “Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: Galatians 1:4

That's right...And you might not be saved...There is a contingency...

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

And only IF you remain in his kindness. "See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God’s kindness to you, provided you remain in his kindness, otherwise you too will be cut off" Rom. 11:22–23

Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

In HIS goodness, not yours...There will come a time when Gentiles are no longer in God's goodness...There's nothing here about losing salvation...

And only IF you endure: Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him; if we endure, we will also reign with him. (2 Tim. 2:11–12).

2Ti 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

You made that up...You are putting words into God's mouth that He didn't say...Have you no shame???

And only IF you stand firm: [Jesus said] “All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.” Mark 13:13

Endure what and to the end of what??? You are back on the other side of the Cross...

It’s a little more complicated than that. Check Scripture.

You gotta be kiddin' me...Check 'your' scripture after you twisted and perverted it???

81 posted on 01/29/2011 9:47:02 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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