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To: FatherofFive
"Whoever thinks he is standing secure should take care not to fall" (1 Cor. 10:11–12).

As usual, you guys have to add your own words to God's scripture to make it mean what you want it to...

1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

I fall every day...And Jesus picks me back up...There's nothing here about losing salvation...

You indeed might just be saved: “Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: Galatians 1:4

That's right...And you might not be saved...There is a contingency...

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

And only IF you remain in his kindness. "See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God’s kindness to you, provided you remain in his kindness, otherwise you too will be cut off" Rom. 11:22–23

Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

In HIS goodness, not yours...There will come a time when Gentiles are no longer in God's goodness...There's nothing here about losing salvation...

And only IF you endure: Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him; if we endure, we will also reign with him. (2 Tim. 2:11–12).

2Ti 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

You made that up...You are putting words into God's mouth that He didn't say...Have you no shame???

And only IF you stand firm: [Jesus said] “All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.” Mark 13:13

Endure what and to the end of what??? You are back on the other side of the Cross...

It’s a little more complicated than that. Check Scripture.

You gotta be kiddin' me...Check 'your' scripture after you twisted and perverted it???

81 posted on 01/29/2011 9:47:02 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

I fall every day...And Jesus picks me back up... There's nothing here about losing salvation...

You are the one just making things up. There is nothing here about Jesus picking you up. But Isaiah warns about the consequences of falling - “Many of them will stumble; they will fall and be broken, they will be snared and captured.” Isaiah 8:14-16 So just be careful, because "Whoever thinks he is standing secure should take care not to fall" See, there is a consequence to falling.

There is a contingency...

More than one, as I pointed out. Among others, “provided you remain in his kindness… if we endure… he who stands firm to the end will be saved… and only then “God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” So again, as Paul said, you must be ‘working out my salvation in fear and trembling’ Believing what you believe requires you to ignore the clear words of Scripture.

You are putting words into God's mouth that He didn't say

Interesting that you believe a Bible written almost 1600 years after Christ died to be the one true translation. But that is another topic.

So many translations, but the meaning is still clear: 11 Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him; 12 if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us; NIV

11It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: KJV

11It is a trustworthy statement: For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him; 12If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us; NASB

The point here – regardless of translation – is that we must do something lest we be denied or disowned.

Endure what and to the end of what??? You are back on the other side of the Cross...

Keep reading Mark for a clue –“For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.” Mark 13:22 Mark was warning against people like Luther and Calvin, among others. You need to endure with the Truth Christ taught.

98 posted on 01/30/2011 8:19:40 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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