Posted on 01/29/2011 7:06:07 PM PST by Benchim
Salvation has three legs supporting the entire doctrine. Leg 1: The first Leg on the Stool is Belief in Christ. Belief means to steadfastly trust in the fact-- that Jesus is the Son of God. The Greek word is pistevo. "For God so greatly loved the world that He gave up His only begotten Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish but have eternal life" (John 3:16).
You will find nothing in the definition requiring "obedience" or "sinless" conduct . This is the foundation of antinomianism. John 6:28-29
Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?" Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
LEG 2: The second leg is that Christ died and was resurrected to atone for your sins. This in imputed righteousness. Otherwise Christs suffering meant nothing. LEG 3: The third leg which stands the stool is Savlation is a gift- by the grace of God and not as a result of anything you do i.e. "works" except your belief in Christ as the son of God . Ephesians 2 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
What are your starting tenants?
Yours are pretty good. I would add as top tenant, however: fear of the Lord is the beginning of all wisdom.
A rather cynical view, if you ask me.
People go to church to worship God with their brothers and sisters. To offer Him praise and thanksgiving and to be spiritually fed.
The early church certainly met often and gave what was needed for themselves and others.
They donate for the upkeep of that church and for the charitable works of the church.
1 Cor 9:24-27 what does Paul mean here?
1 Tim 6: 11:-19 what does Paul mean here? Especially in the last part.
The NT is full of exhortations to hold fast, remain faithful, fight the good fight of faith, and to persevere.
Why? What happens if one doesn’t?
actually, only those “in Christ” will be saved. Romans 6:3 tells us we have been baptized into Jesus Christ. Saul was told to wash away his sins in Acts 22:16. 1 Peter tells us baptism now saves us. How can one talk about salvation and not mention baptism?
God Loves you. You don’t have to fear because you are going to Him at death. No fear at all.
It’s a little more complicated than that. Check Scripture.
Feeling pretty secure? – there’s a verse for that:
"Whoever thinks he is standing secure should take care not to fall" (1 Cor. 10:11–12).
You indeed might just be saved: “Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: Galatians 1:4
And only IF you remain in his kindness. "See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God’s kindness to you, provided you remain in his kindness, otherwise you too will be cut off" Rom. 11:22–23
And only IF you endure: Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him; if we endure, we will also reign with him. (2 Tim. 2:11–12).
And only IF you stand firm: [Jesus said] “All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.” Mark 13:13
And only IF you do what God wants: “God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. (Rom. 2:6–8).
Clearly, what you do is rewarded by God. Like Paul, you must be ‘working out my salvation in fear and trembling’ (Phil. 2:12), knowing that it is God’s gift of Grace that is working in you.
Your belief goes against the clear words of Scripture. There is a special verse for this : “ vain is the belief of those who go against the word of God”. 1st Corinthians 15:2
Wait! Salvation is not for sale. By the same token, it's not for RENT either. (sorry, I know that was weak)
Again, your statement just begs the question: what conditions must exist in order for one to receive God’s saving grace? Surely if you do not believe, you will not receive such grace and therefore have reason to be fearful. Our dispute is over what exactly is necessary to receive salvation and therefore ultimately avoid the fear. I suggest that fear of the Lord is one such prerequisite. Remember, however, that “fear” is a rough translation of the original, which had a broader meaning, encompassing also awe, reverence and wonder.
Well, in the first place ,the word “church: is not in the Bible. The Greek word was “Ekklesia” . It means— “all believers”. There were no buildings or legalistic congregations at all. If you plug in the real word “Ekklesia” into those scriptures you will understand what they were saying. The term “Church” was imposed in 1638 by King James who sought control over Christ believers who were hard to coral. I hope you are not coraled by some brick building and a deep voiced guy living off your money saying “Gawd”
Are you saying the Bible has contradictions and errors?
How could one believe in Jesus as the Son of God and not have a total understanding of God?
Only if you go to paradise. I’d rather you go to Heaven, but you may suit yourself.
Well, the thief on the cross dodn't have much time for contemplation....he indeed simply professed his belief in Christ..and Jesus responded....'today you will be with me'.
Easy.
Here is an example, absurd but it makes the point: one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God, but means by that that God impregnated Mary by means of a space alien surrogate, and further believes that Jesus was a wayward child of God, is probably not saved. Agree?
Tenants?
Definition for tenant
- renter of property: somebody who rents a building, house, apartment, plot of land, or piece of property for a fixed price.
- occupier of place: somebody living in or on a property
- pay rent to occupy property: to live in or on somebody else’s property as a tenant
Try tenets.
Excellent.
...in paradise. He didn’t say, “in Heaven”.
That is absurd. God did impregnate Mary. How else could she deliver a child?
Your statement that he didn’t have much time to contemplate is mere conjecture. Do you know for a fact that his acceptance of Christ on the Cross was not preceded or even enabled by contemplation he had in time leading up to the Cross? Do you really think it was his mere utterance of the words that allowed him to be saved, without more?
Not at all! You are just making up a theology of salvation that is not based on the entire Scripture.
The expression "faith alone" only appears once in the Bible—in James 2:24—where it is rejected as a description of how we are justified.
This is why Luther wanted to remove James from the Bible - it didn't fit his made up theory of salvation.
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