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Constantine: The 13th Apostle

The Bishops of Nicea were very orthodox and correctly taught the Catholic Faith they received from Sacred Scripture and Tradition.

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They were not called of God they were called by the Pagan Murder Constantine.

the Nicene Creed was etched in chaos

As time went on Constantine should become ever more involved with the Christian church. He appeared at first to have very little grasp of the basic beliefs governing Christian faith. But gradually he must have become more acquainted with them. So much so that he sought to resolve theological disputes among the church itself.

In this role he summoned the bishops of the western provinces to Arelate (Arles) in AD 314, after the so-called Donatist schism had split the church in Africa.

If this willingness to resolve matters through peaceful debate showed one side of Constantine, then his brutal enforcement of the decisions reached at such meetings showed the other.

Following the decision of the council of bishops at Arelate, donatist churches were confiscated and the followers of this branch of Christianity were brutally repressed.

Evidently Constantine was also capable of persecuting Christians, if they were deemed to be the 'wrong type of Christians'.

Constantine: The 13th Apostle (Who used Christianity to get gain a massive empire

Many Anti Mormons embraced the vision story of Constantine there is no announcement This is my beloved Son here him?

Constantine: The 13th Apostle

The use of a physical cross as a sign and symbol emerged gradually in the development of Christian practices.

While the theology of the cross is taught by Paul and the sign of the cross for baptism and protection is reported fairly early, the use of a physical cross rarely appears before the fourth century.(1)

At that time, two events involving Constantine led to the use of a physical cross or cross form by the state, the emerging church, and Christians.

19 posted on 01/16/2011 11:01:51 AM PST by restornu
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Many Anti Mormons embraced the vision story of Constantine there is no announcement This is my beloved Son here hear him?
20 posted on 01/16/2011 11:05:36 AM PST by restornu
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To: restornu

do you know why you see little evidence of the cross before the 4th century??? the Church was underground for the most part and didn’t have the opportunity to openly dsiplay their faith, if they did, it could nean their life!


22 posted on 01/16/2011 11:51:36 AM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: restornu

“the use of a physical cross NEVER appears” on a mormon building...

Just why is that ???

or is this also a Robert Millet moment ???


25 posted on 01/16/2011 11:55:52 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: restornu
the Nicene Creed was etched in chaos
 
 
 
The First Vision® appears to have been 'etched' in Silly Putty!
 




 FIRST VISION:VARIOUS VERSIONS OF VISIONS
 
Version Number 
When  Published 
Brief Description
Age 
Year
Pillar  
of  light
 No. of 
Person- 
ages
Father 
Present
Son 
Present
Question: 
Join What 
Sect?
Remarks-References 
 
1. Official version,  written 1838,
 first  Published 1842
 (There are minor differences between the various source references,
Ensign  Jan 1985, page 14) 
   14

  1820
   yes         2 
yes 

Both spoke  
 
yes  
 
Join none 
Lucy, Hyrum, Samuel, Sophronia join the Presbyterian Church - JSH, pages 49-50, 1981 edition;
Times & Seasons, March, April 1842;
Ensign Jan. 1985, page 14;
Joseph Smith's First Vision by
Milton V. Backamn, Bookcraft, 1971, 1980, Appendix C, page 160f 
2. Dictated by Smith to F.G. Williams, Summer to Nov. 1832  14 or 15     yes  
 
      1      no  
 
yes 

Saw Lord,

He  "spoke"

No question,
told "None doeth good",
sins forgiven 
Joseph Smith's First Vision, Appendix A, page 155f 
 
 
 
3. Written by Smith,
his 1832 diary,
in his own hand
 15  
 
   yes  
 
      1  
 
   no  
 
yes 

Saw the Lord Jesus  Christ

No question,
 told sins forgiven,
all do no good 
Ensign, Dec. 1984, pages 24-26; ibid, Jan. 1985, page 11
4. Smith's diary of 1835,
recorded by
Warren Cowdery,
Nov. 9, 1835, conversation of Smith with Joshua
About 
14 
yes  
 
One, then another like unto first 
 ?  
     ? 
Second spoke, saw  many angels
No questions,
told sins forgiven,
Jesus is Son 
Joseph Smith's First Vision, Appen. B 
5. Letter form Smith to
John Wentworth,
editor of Chicago Democrat
none  
   no  
       2 

They spoke
     ?  
 
No Question  
 
Joseph Smith's  First Vision, Appendix D;
Ensign, Jan 1985, page 16;
Times & Seasons, Vol  3, pages 706-707, March 1, 1842
6. Early church leaders
Brigham Young, G.A.Smith,
John Taylor 
   15  
 
   no  
 
        1 
Saw an angel, and asked the angel
   no 
 
 
 
 
 
   no 
 
 
 
 
 
   Join none 
 
 
 
 
 
See Journal of Discourses,
  2:17;
18:239;
13:77, 78;
20:167;
12:333, 334.
 
web/firvista.html 
5-11-95, Rev 8-8-98
 
John Farkas,     Berean Christian Ministries, P.O. Box 1091, Webster, N.Y. 14580



37 posted on 01/16/2011 12:15:19 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
At that time, two events involving Constantine led to the use of a physical cross or cross form by the state, the emerging church, and Christians.

"We will form our OWN nation; and call it 'DESERET'!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Deseret

38 posted on 01/16/2011 12:17:15 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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